Lbbc you are a Tattletale :thumb:

Nope, that is not the point, although many are trying to make it that. You know as well as everyone else what the point is.

 

 

So, if it's not the point, tell me who has a problem with KCD? With DeSales? With Presentation? Who is it that has a problem with Collegiate? I mean, Collegiate is ALWAYS a threat in Field Hockey, and at one point RULED the sport!

 

Why is it that all the good boys basketball players wind up at Mason Co? Did you hear anyone complaining about them?

 

St. X has the clear cut advanatage in the "County Club" sports and Football. Trinity, in Football, and Lacrosse . Assumption, Volleyball and maybe Field Hockey, and Sacred Heart, Basketball, Volleyball, and Field Hockey. Mercy, Volleyball and Softball.

 

Here's what I love....public schools are so concerned about their kids. Private schools are just supposed to understand that apparantly, public schools are not to be concenred about private school kids, but the private schools are supposed to be concerned about the public school kids.

 

Whatever happend to everyone being concerned about ALL kids?

Why?

 

Maybe those teams shouldn't have gotten out of districts.

Because of the rules of BGP and what is appropriate and inappropriate to post in a public forum with minimal accountability. I have PM'd my answer to OldBird where the answer needs to stay.

So, if it's not the point, tell me who has a problem with KCD? With DeSales? With Presentation? Who is it that has a problem with Collegiate? I mean, Collegiate is ALWAYS a threat in Field Hockey, and at one point RULED the sport!

 

Why is it that all the good boys basketball players wind up at Mason Co? Did you hear anyone complaining about them?

 

St. X has the clear cut advanatage in the "County Club" sports and Football. Trinity, in Football, and Lacrosse . Assumption, Volleyball and maybe Field Hockey, and Sacred Heart, Basketball, Volleyball, and Field Hockey. Mercy, Volleyball and Softball.

 

Here's what I love....public schools are so concerned about their kids. Private schools are just supposed to understand that apparantly, public schools are not to be concenred about private school kids, but the private schools are supposed to be concerned about the public school kids.

 

Whatever happend to everyone being concerned about ALL kids?

 

Perfect world, great concept. Reality, very hard to put into place. Adults won't allow it.

Compete, compete, compete. You compete to win. Take away the catholic schools or classify every sport = a major lose in competition and opens up the door for the "Who is the true champion" debate. Please, keep it how it is now. Only one true champion. Every school will go through their "valleys and mountains" and that is why we compete.

 

If we classify sports or remove the catholic schools, what does that teach your students if you lose? I think it teaches them, if your not good enough move to a different field of competition. This is just not how the "real world" operates and I feel that it is not what we should be teaching our student athletes.

Compete, compete, compete. You compete to win. Take away the catholic schools or classify every sport = a major lose in competition and opens up the door for the "Who is the true champion" debate. Please, keep it how it is now. Only one true champion. Every school will go through their "valleys and mountains" and that is why we compete.

 

If we classify sports or remove the catholic schools, what does that teach your students if you lose? I think it teaches them, if your not good enough move to a different field of competition. This is just not how the "real world" operates and I feel that it is not what we should be teaching our student athletes.

So do you feel football, cross country and track suffers from the "not one true champion" feeling?

So do you feel football, cross country and track suffers from the "not one true champion" feeling?

Size classifications are reasonable and have logic behind them. I would favor expansion of size classifications into more sprts. Nothing about a size classification tarnishes the championships won by those teams. Prop 20 is an effort to remove certain teams from competition with no rational basis other than that they are good, and what is worse, it doesn't even remove all of the good teams, just the ones that happen to be private schools. It is wrong and it is discriminatory.

 

I have an idea. Maybe we could borrow an idea from horse racing and have a "maiden" classification. It could be modeled after the All A. Only teams that have never won a championship could enter. Since winning the All Maiden would eliminate you from the next years All Maiden, eventually everyone would win a championship.

Size classifications are reasonable and have logic behind them. I would favor expansion of size classifications into more sprts. Nothing about a size classification tarnishes the championships won by those teams. Prop 20 is an effort to remove certain teams from competition with no rational basis other than that they are good, and what is worse, it doesn't even remove all of the good teams, just the ones that happen to be private schools. It is wrong and it is discriminatory.

 

I have an idea. Maybe we could borrow an idea from horse racing and have a "maiden" classification. It could be modeled after the All A. Only teams that have never won a championship could enter. Since winning the All Maiden would eliminate you from the next years All Maiden, eventually everyone would win a championship.

While I do not expect you to agree with the reasoning, there has been plenty of rational basis presented. You may disagree with the argument but to say no rational basis has been given is incorrect. No boundary argument, the "r" word that goes on with ALL private school students, different guidelines and responsibilities that each schools have(private schools do not have to follow all the non-athletic guidelines that the state/federal govt's place on public schools), are just 3 of the rational reasons given. AGAIN, you may disagree and I both support and understand your reasons for disagreeing, but a rational basis has been given.

 

In fact, some would say that the nature of the schools make a rational and logical separation by private/public as separation by class size does.

While I do not expect you to agree with the reasoning, there has been plenty of rational basis presented. You may disagree with the argument but to say no rational basis has been given is incorrect. No boundary argument, the "r" word that goes on with ALL private school students, different guidelines and responsibilities that each schools have(private schools do not have to follow all the non-athletic guidelines that the state/federal govt's place on public schools), are just 3 of the rational reasons given. AGAIN, you may disagree and I both support and understand your reasons for disagreeing, but a rational basis has been given.

 

In fact, some would say that the nature of the schools make a rational and logical separation by private/public as separation by class size does.

Boundary rules are self imposed by the school districts and are subject to change at the sole discretion of the school district and thus form no rational basis for separation. In fact, some public schools choose not to impose boundaries. All private schools recruit students and are prohibited from recruiting that is specific to athletics. I would also point out that public schools are not prohibited from recruiting students and in fact, the Jefferson County Public Schools do have an active recruiting effort. Thus recruiting is not a rational basis for separation. By the federal guidelines, I assume you mean Title IX, among other rules. I would point out that most of the private schools are coed and are subject to Title IX. As far as other rules, disiplinary policies, expulsion policies etc. vary from school to school to school within the public systems, so again, Public/Private is not a rational basis for separation. In fact, SOME private schools do a much better job of catering to at risk students than SOME public schools.

Boundary rules are self imposed by the school districts and are subject to change at the sole discretion of the school district and thus form no rational basis for separation. In fact, some public schools choose not to impose boundaries. All private schools recruit students and are prohibited from recruiting that is specific to athletics. I would also point out that public schools are not prohibited from recruiting students and in fact, the Jefferson County Public Schools do have an active recruiting effort. Thus recruiting is not a rational basis for separation. By the federal guidelines, I assume you mean Title IX, among other rules. I would point out that most of the private schools are coed and are subject to Title IX. As far as other rules, disiplinary policies, expulsion policies etc. vary from school to school to school within the public systems, so again, Public/Private is not a rational basis for separation. In fact, SOME private schools do a much better job of catering to at risk students than SOME public schools.

I do not mean Title IX.

 

The boundary rules might be self-imposed but for a good reason. The Newport school system is designed to teach the youth of Newport, not other districts. Bishop Brossart is designed to teach anyone interested in a Catholic education within a much larger reason. Both schools serve a good purpose and both are needed. But they are not the same. Newport should not be trying to pull kids from Bracken County. Bishop Brossart by all means and correctly in doing so, if there is a student from Bracken County interested in a Catholic education should consider Brossart or St. Patrick in Maysville.

 

As far as varying among Publics, there are very strict rules imposed by state/federal that DO NOT vary from school to school.

What school do you coach at ? I went to NC and my kids attended NCC . Come on tell us don't be shy now.

 

You can tell who you are if you choose. But Rule #5 states:

 

5. No divulging or attempting to determine any member's true identity. That includes dropping hints about a user's identity or asking a member who he or she is in a public forum.

 

Just a friendly FYI!!! :thumb:

Boundary rules are self imposed by the school districts and are subject to change at the sole discretion of the school district and thus form no rational basis for separation. In fact, some public schools choose not to impose boundaries. All private schools recruit students and are prohibited from recruiting that is specific to athletics.

 

Does that mean that everyone (Public-Private-KHSAA) would be okay with my district recruiting students from outside it's county and state? If not, the private schools DO have a clear advantage. I have yet to get an answer on this subject. If the public school has no self imposed boundary, can we actively recruit from where ever we want? Can we send materials to kids in the 7th-8th grades?

 

If any of the previously mentioned (public-private-KHSAA) have an issue with us doing these things (actively recruiting students) then it should be disallowed state wide.

Does that mean that everyone (Public-Private-KHSAA) would be okay with my district recruiting students from outside it's county and state? If not, the private schools DO have a clear advantage. I have yet to get an answer on this subject. If the public school has no self imposed boundary, can we actively recruit from where ever we want? Can we send materials to kids in the 7th-8th grades?

 

If any of the previously mentioned (public-private-KHSAA) have an issue with us doing these things (actively recruiting students) then it should be disallowed state wide.

If by recruiting you mean all students, I don't have a problem with it. If your school's recruiting efforts target only athletes it is gainst the existing rules for both public and private schools.

Does that mean that everyone (Public-Private-KHSAA) would be okay with my district recruiting students from outside it's county and state? If not, the private schools DO have a clear advantage. I have yet to get an answer on this subject. If the public school has no self imposed boundary, can we actively recruit from where ever we want? Can we send materials to kids in the 7th-8th grades?

 

If any of the previously mentioned (public-private-KHSAA) have an issue with us doing these things (actively recruiting students) then it should be disallowed state wide.

Yes public schools can. SHould they? If the public school mission is to educate the students in their community, no they should not. If public school mission is to educate the students in their community and field the strongest athletic teams they possibly can including athletes from communities they are not designed to serve, yes they should.

If by recruiting you mean all students, I don't have a problem with it. If your school's recruiting efforts target only athletes it is gainst the existing rules for both public and private schools.

 

 

Who is to judge whether or not we/they/you are recruiting athletes or students that are potential athletes? It is impossible to allow this (recruitment of students) to occur and then say "well you can't send that kid info, because he can play!" This IS how some private and public schools recruit athletes and get away with it. This is why there is always a smoking gun, but no bullet.