Allow some of us to make a different point, instead of picking a choosing just one. $400 haircut does not equate with spreading lies that someone's adopted child is actually from an affair.

 

OK, how about what the Obama camp alluded to with Bill Clinton and racism in the South Carolina race?

OK, how about what the Obama camp alluded to with Bill Clinton and racism in the South Carolina race?

 

I'm not familiar with this. Do you have a link?

I'm not familiar with this. Do you have a link?

 

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/story?id=5506458

 

http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2008/01/27/clinton/index.html

The Clintons' strategy has become increasingly trashy, even ugly, and yesterday's remarks by Bill Clinton -- in which he pointedly compared Obama's candidacy to Jesse Jackson's and thus implicitly (though clearly) dismissed South Carolina as a state where the "black candidate" wins, followed up by the Clinton campaign's anonymous branding of Obama as "the black candidate" -- reeked of desperation

http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2008/01/bills-spin-obam.html

Bill's Advance Spin

In a simple phrase: "Jesse Jackson won South Carolina twice". Listen to it yourself. I'm not making that up.

 

I don't think there can be any doubt about the Clintons' racial strategy now

http://www.roryoconnor.org/blog/2008/01/28/first-black-president/

 

But “it was not just the Clintons who played the race card,” as the AP’s Ron Fournier noted:

 

“There were plenty of people dealing from the sordid deck: Obama advisers who pointed reporters to the remarks; Obama supporters who took the Clintons’ remarks out of context to condemn them; a Clinton surrogate who made a veiled reference to Obama’s drug use as a youth; the conflict-obsessed media that exaggerated every twist of the race debate; black voters who publicly declared a black man is unelectable; and white voters who openly admitted that they or their neighbors couldn’t vote for a black man.

 

“If nothing else, South Carolina has reminded us, sadly, that race is still an issue in America.”

Once again I ask, who cares?

 

And why should I take anything reported by Fox News seriously?

Why should you take anything reported on any news outlet seriously then?

OK, how about what the Obama camp alluded to with Bill Clinton and racism in the South Carolina race?

The race card is something the Obama campaign as well as the Obama Administration were/are quick to use. It's a shameful strategy IMO.

http://www.roryoconnor.org/blog/2008/01/28/first-black-president/

 

But “it was not just the Clintons who played the race card,” as the AP’s Ron Fournier noted:

 

“There were plenty of people dealing from the sordid deck: Obama advisers who pointed reporters to the remarks; Obama supporters who took the Clintons’ remarks out of context to condemn them; a Clinton surrogate who made a veiled reference to Obama’s drug use as a youth; the conflict-obsessed media that exaggerated every twist of the race debate; black voters who publicly declared a black man is unelectable; and white voters who openly admitted that they or their neighbors couldn’t vote for a black man.

 

“If nothing else, South Carolina has reminded us, sadly, that race is still an issue in America.”

 

Thanks for the links.

 

So, in this case, words of Bill Clinton were taken out of context. In the case of McCain's adopted daughter, no words were taken out of context. It was a blatant lie.

Thanks for the links.

 

So, in this case, words of Bill Clinton were taken out of context. In the case of McCain's adopted daughter, no words were taken out of context. It was a blatant lie.

I will agree that the Republicans are every bit as guilty as the Democrats. Politicians are a very dirty breed.

Thanks for the links.

 

So, in this case, words of Bill Clinton were taken out of context. In the case of McCain's adopted daughter, no words were taken out of context. It was a blatant lie.

 

You are intent to ignore the point that Obama said he was above this and then his campaign/presidency does it anyway, aren't you?

 

The whole point of the thread was not who was worse but rather Obama said he was different and wouldn't resort to such things.

 

And I have to admit I thought the Clinton's were masters of this type of stuff (and the RNC's are good at it too) but Obama taught the Clinton's a thing or two about it in the campaign.

 

 

 

Now, to address your point, I think what was done to McCain is horrible.

I think, especially in this day's mentality, to take a person's words out of context and call them a racist is equally horrible.

I will agree that the Republicans are every bit as guilty as the Democrats. Politicians are a very dirty breed.

 

:thumb::thumb::thumb::thumb:

 

 

Our point TB&G is that Obama is as bad as the rest, no matter what he is saying differently.

The race card is something the Obama campaign as well as the Obama Administration were/are quick to use. It's a shameful strategy IMO.

 

While Obama would stay away from it and not address it.

 

He let his minions do the work and he shrugged off what little questions he got on a friendly media.

While Obama would stay away from it and not address it.

 

He let his minions do the work and he shrugged off what little questions he got on a friendly media.

Exactly.

You are intent to ignore the point that Obama said he was above this and then his campaign/presidency does it anyway, aren't you?

 

The whole point of the thread was not who was worse but rather Obama said he was different and wouldn't resort to such things.

 

And I have to admit I thought the Clinton's were masters of this type of stuff (and the RNC's are good at it too) but Obama taught the Clinton's a thing or two about it in the campaign.

 

 

 

Now, to address your point, I think what was done to McCain is horrible.

I think, especially in this day's mentality, to take a person's words out of context and call them a racist is equally horrible.

 

I'm not ignoring anything.

 

I don't think the two are equal. Call me a racist or tell me that my adopted daughter is the illegitimate child of my husband's and the 2nd will hurt me worse, because it will hurt my child directly.

 

Also, none of your links gives what Obama or his campaign "minions" said, so I can't say that either called Clinton a racist.

I'm not ignoring anything.

 

I don't think the two are equal. Call me a racist or tell me that my adopted daughter is the illegitimate child of my husband's and the 2nd will hurt me worse, because it will hurt my child directly.

 

Also, none of your links gives what Obama or his campaign "minions" said, so I can't say that either called Clinton a racist.

 

We are not talking about you but rather a politician.

 

Which of the two would hurt a politician in a campaign worse?

 

Also, none of your links gives what Obama or his campaign "minions" said, so I can't say that either called Clinton a racist.

“There were plenty of people dealing from the sordid deck: Obama advisers who pointed reporters to the remarks; Obama supporters who took the Clintons’ remarks out of context to condemn them;