We have the thread about the current coaching situation in South Bend, but I'd like to hear your-BGP Nation-opinion on Charlie Weis. What do you think about him? Do you think he is a good coach? A poor coach? A good offensive coordinator that isn't fit to be a head coach?

 

Here's my take:

 

I think Charlie Weis is the best offensive mind of the Modern Era, he has laid the offensive frame work for the best dynasty of the 2000's, he made Tom Brady into what he is today, he also developed Jimmy Claussen and Brady Quinn into two of the better college quarterbacks of this decade. His problem is that he doesn't know how to handle the pressure, he comes off as a jerk in his press conference-I think-because he isn't a very polished public speaker. He seems to be very nervous, and always has been. And the way he reacts to wins-the Michigan State one, for example-isn't big coach material.

 

While I feel sorry for him because of the constant strain the fan base and media have put on him, I do think perhaps it is time for a change. He simply isn't Notre Dame, or any school for that matter, material. He is far better off being a coordinator in the NFL than being a head coach.

Best offensive mind of the modern era? Wow.

Best offensive mind of the modern era? Wow.

 

Three Super Bowls and one of the three best quarterbacks of all-time. Weis had a huge part in bringing both of those about.

Best offensive mind of the modern era? Wow.

 

Double WOW!!!!

 

Bottom line....he has not gotten the job done at NBC university....uhhhhh Notre Dame. That program is like UK basketball, either you win big games or the fans want someone who will.

Three Super Bowls and one of the three best quarterbacks of all-time. Weis had a huge part in bringing both of those about.

 

The offense was average during the first Super Bowl and I think you are giving Weis way too much credit for making Tom Brady into what he is. Tom Brady never had crazy stats until he got Moss and Weis was already gone right?

Best offensive mind of the modern era? Wow.

 

Since 1990 how many other offensive coaches can claim 3 Super Bowl Titles. The offense he installed is still being ran there. He tutored Tom Brady from a part-time starter late round draft pick out of Michigan to one of the greatest QB's of all-time. Not saying he's the best, but not many have a resume like that.

The offense was average during the first Super Bowl and I think you are giving Weis way too much credit for making Tom Brady into what he is. Tom Brady never had crazy stats until he got Moss and Weis was already gone right?

 

That's true, but Weis also likes to run the ball more than the people they have had in the last few years. Tom Brady was known to be a guy that won with average talent around him. Not many are going to put up video game numbers with Deion Branch and Troy Brown. Not bad guys, but Moss and Welker are top of the line.

 

Not saying he's the best, but you can make an argument. College-wise I'll take Rich Rod and I won't debate it. All spread (running) teams are a product of him, IMO.

That's true, but Weis also likes to run the ball more than the people they have had in the last few years. Tom Brady was known to be a guy that won with average talent around him. Not many are going to put up video game numbers with Deion Branch and Troy Brown. Not bad guys, but Moss and Welker are top of the line.

 

Not saying he's the best, but you can make an argument. College-wise I'll take Rich Rod and I won't debate it. All spread (running) teams are a product of him, IMO.

Just curious, has Meyer been running it as long as RR?

The offense was average during the first Super Bowl and I think you are giving Weis way too much credit for making Tom Brady into what he is. Tom Brady never had crazy stats until he got Moss and Weis was already gone right?

 

They had Corey Dillon and Kevin Faulk, who were decent running backs, they didn't have to pass as much. What makes him one of the best ever is that he won three Super Bowls throwing to receivers like Troy Brown, Deion Branch, and David Patten, and a lot of that can be attributed to Weis if you ask me.

Just curious, has Meyer been running it as long as RR?

 

No, Rich Rod was starting to put it in when he was at Tulane in the early 2000's before Urban got a head coaching job. I think the Zone Read was developed because a quarterback kept messing up what they were originally trying to run. Rich Rod saw that it worked and-pardon the pun-ran with it.

They had Corey Dillon and Kevin Faulk, who were decent running backs, they didn't have to pass as much. What makes him one of the best ever is that he won three Super Bowls throwing to receivers like Troy Brown, Deion Branch, and David Patten, and a lot of that can be attributed to Weis if you ask me.

Personally I attribute that wayyyy more to Brady than to Weis. To each his own.

Just curious, has Meyer been running it as long as RR?

 

No. When Meyer got the gig at Bowling Green he went to Rich Rod to learn about his zone read offense. Meyer's offense is a combination of a few different offenses.

 

Meyer's version of the spread is better than Rich Rod's now, but that is because Meyer has spent time adding in new wrinkles. He didn't take Rod's passing game (not enough vertical stuff), he actually went with more pro-styled passing concepts from Scott Linehan.

 

No, Rich Rod was starting to put it in when he was at Tulane in the early 2000's before Urban got a head coaching job. I think the Zone Read was developed because a quarterback kept messing up what they were originally trying to run. Rich Rod saw that it worked and-pardon the pun-ran with it.

 

According to Rich Rod, they were running the zone in practice (I think he was at Glenville St. at the time). The QB saw that the backside end man on the line of scrimage (EMOLS) was unblocked, and he started reading him to choose if he should give to the back or keep replacing the over pursuing DE. Rich Rod stopped him after the play and asked what the QB saw, and Rich Rod decided that it actually made sense. The birth of the Zone Read, at least the way Rich Rod and others run it.

Personally I attribute that wayyyy more to Brady than to Weis. To each his own.

 

What about Brady Quinn and Jimmy Claussen? True neither are Brady-at least I can say Quinn isn't, I don't know about JC-but they were/are great college quarterbacks. And Brady Quinn wasn't much until Charlie ended up in South Bend.

Personally I attribute that wayyyy more to Brady than to Weis. To each his own.

 

It is to each his own, but I think CW deserves some credit. Brady wasn't even a full-time starter in college, was barely drafted and turned into a HOF player. Something had to happen.

 

 

According to Rich Rod, they were running the zone in practice (I think he was at Glenville St. at the time). The QB saw that the backside end man on the line of scrimage (EMOLS) was unblocked, and he started reading him to choose if he should give to the back or keep replacing the over pursuing DE. Rich Rod stopped him after the play and asked what the QB saw, and Rich Rod decided that it actually made sense. The birth of the Zone Read, at least the way Rich Rod and others run it.

 

I knew it was something to that effect, couldn't remember the fine details though.