August 5, 200917 yr Be careful what you post in this web. It could get turned in via the [email protected] ID as spreading unauthorized 'facts'. Unfortunately this is no joke: http://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/Facts-Are-Stubborn-Things/ From this official government website: There is a lot of disinformation about health insurance reform out there, spanning from control of personal finances to end of life care. These rumors often travel just below the surface via chain emails or through casual conversation. Since we can’t keep track of all of them here at the White House, we’re asking for your help. If you get an email or see something on the web about health insurance reform that seems fishy, send it to [email protected]. It's all about transparency.:idunno:
August 5, 200917 yr One of the Whitehouse people is starting a disinformation campaign. Another example of point the finger at people and not address the issues. Heard her little speach yesterday. They're getting dangerously close the 1st Amendment. First there was a movement to censor right-wing radio hosts and now they want the Democratic faithful to report “disinformation” directly to the White House website. Let’s just hope they don’t target the BGP P&R forum next.
August 5, 200917 yr First link 2nd parargraph says it does not include premiums. Thanks, I can't open the link. 25 million people paid more than 10% of their income on out of pocket expenses? Does it say how they arrived at their numbers?
August 5, 200917 yr Be careful what you post in this web. It could get turned in via the [email protected] ID as spreading unauthorized 'facts'. Unfortunately this is no joke: http://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/Facts-Are-Stubborn-Things/ From this official government website: There is a lot of disinformation about health insurance reform out there, spanning from control of personal finances to end of life care. These rumors often travel just below the surface via chain emails or through casual conversation. Since we can’t keep track of all of them here at the White House, we’re asking for your help. If you get an email or see something on the web about health insurance reform that seems fishy, send it to [email protected]. Anyone else disturbed by this?
August 5, 200917 yr So by this line of thinking everyone should have basically 100% everything paid for coverage? If you explain how you made the Olympic sized long jump from my post to yours I'll be able to try to answer that.
August 5, 200917 yr If you explain how you made the Olympic sized long jump from my post to yours I'll be able to try to answer that. What's the point of your post then? Should you not have to pay something out of your pocket if you get sick? If my heating and air system has to be replaced in my house then I am out $6000 or more. Guess what, I am underinsured for that. Should the government take over insuring homes so that repairs are covered? Maybe I missed the point of your post, maybe you didn't have a point.
August 5, 200917 yr What's the point of your post then? Should you not have to pay something out of your pocket if you get sick? If my heating and air system has to be replaced in my house then I am out $6000 or more. Guess what, I am underinsured for that. Should the government take over insuring homes so that repairs are covered? Maybe I missed the point of your post, maybe you didn't have a point. My point was aimed at those who use the number of people who HAVE insurance as proof that there is not a problem. Between the reported number of people who are "underinsured" and the number of people forced into bankruptcy due to medical bills, its apparent to me that our cost is a problem. That's what the reform is trying to address yet many people, for various reasons, cling to the fact that a high number of people have insurance.
August 5, 200917 yr My point was aimed at those who use the number of people who HAVE insurance as proof that there is not a problem. Between the reported number of people who are "underinsured" and the number of people forced into bankruptcy due to medical bills, its apparent to me that our cost is a problem. That's what the reform is trying to address yet many people, for various reasons, cling to the fact that a high number of people have insurance. Your right about the point that it’s not only about the people who have or don’t have insurance, but the administration is using the uninsured argument as a focal point of their argument. I don’t think anybody is saying there are not problems with the current system. What a lot of people are saying is that the problems are not so encompassing as to require a complete overhaul by the government.
August 5, 200917 yr My point was aimed at those who use the number of people who HAVE insurance as proof that there is not a problem. Between the reported number of people who are "underinsured" and the number of people forced into bankruptcy due to medical bills, its apparent to me that our cost is a problem. That's what the reform is trying to address yet many people, for various reasons, cling to the fact that a high number of people have insurance. First I have not seen one person on this site say things are perfect. Second as FC said Obama has rammed the uninsured down our throats. I would love to the numbers on the people who filed bankruptcy due to medical bills, what kind of debt did they already have, how much were their medical bills, ect... Using what you posted a person making $50,000 year who ends up with $6000 in medical bills would under insured but is it really a problem?
August 5, 200917 yr Author My point was aimed at those who use the number of people who HAVE insurance as proof that there is not a problem. Between the reported number of people who are "underinsured" and the number of people forced into bankruptcy due to medical bills, its apparent to me that our cost is a problem. That's what the reform is trying to address yet many people, for various reasons, cling to the fact that a high number of people have insurance. I wish that was what this reform was trying to address, but, IMO it's not. We need changes but we don't need a government controlled single payer system. Which to many on the left want. That is their ultimate goal and a number of them have said it. I am against any system that will decrease the quality of care that we now have. We have the best in the world. Is there a way to make it less expensive and more available? I believe there is. I don't claim to have the answers, but I have had the fortune of traveling to many other countries during my life time, and I have family in other countries. I have seen a lot. So I do, at least, know what I don't want.
August 5, 200917 yr First I have not seen one person on this site say things are perfect. Second as FC said Obama has rammed the uninsured down our throats. I would love to the numbers on the people who filed bankruptcy due to medical bills, what kind of debt did they already have, how much were their medical bills, ect... Using what you posted a person making $50,000 year who ends up with $6000 in medical bills would under insured but is it really a problem? I've never really thought about the term but I now realize I've been underinsured several times in my life. What I'm wondering is "so what'? I paid the bills off over time each time. How is that different than buying a car? Medical providers will work with a person. Now I realize that some people simply can't pay off medical bills so they file for bankruptcy or simply walk away from the bills. What I'd like to know is IF the 25 million underinsured is correct, how many can't pay the bills off? It certainly is not the entire 25 million. Someone making $50,000 a year with a $5,000 hit is underinsured but can certainly pay that off given time.
August 6, 200917 yr Author I've never really thought about the term but I now realize I've been underinsured several times in my life. What I'm wondering is "so what'? I paid the bills off over time each time. How is that different than buying a car? Medical providers will work with a person. Now I realize that some people simply can't pay off medical bills so they file for bankruptcy or simply walk away from the bills. What I'd like to know is IF the 25 million underinsured is correct, how many can't pay the bills off? It certainly is not the entire 25 million. Someone making $50,000 a year with a $5,000 hit is underinsured but can certainly pay that off given time. Good analogy 75. Makes me think. IMO the problem is that people view medical care as a service and don't think they should have to pay so much for a service. Even though the end result is their health. They don't mind going in debt for nicer clothes, a better car, or a bigger house, because they can see them and touch them, and they feel like they got a tangible thing in return for their debt. Their health is more important than any of those things, but it isn't thought of that way.
August 6, 200917 yr Your right about the point that it’s not only about the people who have or don’t have insurance, but the administration is using the uninsured argument as a focal point of their argument. I don’t think anybody is saying there are not problems with the current system. What a lot of people are saying is that the problems are not so encompassing as to require a complete overhaul by the government. I have not seen the administration use the # of uninsured as the ONLY reason to change. I've seen cost, underinsured, and lack of competition as the reasons.
August 6, 200917 yr I wish that was what this reform was trying to address, but, IMO it's not. We need changes but we don't need a government controlled single payer system. Which to many on the left want. That is their ultimate goal and a number of them have said it. I am against any system that will decrease the quality of care that we now have. We have the best in the world. Is there a way to make it less expensive and more available? I believe there is. I don't claim to have the answers, but I have had the fortune of traveling to many other countries during my life time, and I have family in other countries. I have seen a lot. So I do, at least, know what I don't want. I have not seen anything from the administration advocating singler payer. I have HEARD talking heads spewing that but I've yet to hear the administration advocate it. Have you? No one has proven that there will be a decrease in quality of care. Again, talking heads and talking points.
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