Where was that article from?

 

FWIW, that article is from a Yahoo! news article taken from a Huffington Post writer. I am unsure as to why 2 Humped Camel did not include this information.

I'm not.

 

Huffington Post has no credibility.

FWIW, that article is from a Yahoo! news article taken from a Huffington Post writer. I am unsure as to why 2 Humped Camel did not include this information.

 

You could tell from the writing the article was slanted.

I really would like to see an example of where in the world socialized medicine works well.

 

Because I know of none.

 

Also, I don't understand why some people have so much faith in the government running anything efficiently.

I'm not.

 

Huffington Post has no credibility.

 

You could tell from the writing the article was slanted.

 

Maybe so, but I'm sure not anymore or less than Fox news where an over abundance of posters on here cite quite frequently. Even if you don't agree with the source the poll numbers and facts don't change.

I disagree LN, I think Obama and many congressional democrats were elected on a platform of healthcare reform as one of the foundations. IMO the majority of American's myself included want this and it will not hurt them. I can see it further damaging the GOP if they are not willing to at least compromise a little on the issue which it appears unlikely. I don't like this process now or when the republicans have used it but if the other side refuses to compromise I guess majority rules.

 

Noted. And you may be right, but I don't think so. I think the issue will depend on how far healthcare reform goes and how it's implemented. No doubt that truly nationalized health care is favored by some folks that supported Obama. But I don't think that Obama would have been elected without a large portion of the more moderately thinking Americans. A whole lot of voters that voted for Bush voted for Obama this time. I don't think that those voters are going to be happy with health care reform if it becomes too extreme or if they disapprove of the cram down method the reform is approved by the White House and Congress. If so, add that on top of the stimulus bill, the release of the CIA memos and whatever else Pelosi and Reid can pressure Obama to do and I think there could be another wide swing in the pendelum during the next presidential election. Hey I have to try and find a silver lining in this situation.

 

I understand the thinking of the more liberal politicians who want to strike quickly with favorable legislation while the iron is hot and Obama has a lot of juice, but that strategy may backfire. Now if Obama gets this stuff done quickly and then becomes more moderate in the last couple of years of his first term, it's possible that the moderate voters will forget about what was done in the first two years and re elect him. American voters have short memories that way.

I really would like to see an example of where in the world socialized medicine works well.

 

Because I know of none.

 

Also, I don't understand why some people have so much faith in the government running anything efficiently.

 

I would tend to agree but why do some have so much faith in private enterprise to be effective at running anything? The thirst for profits leads to higher premiums, higher deductables, lower coverage levels, and more denied claims. If you believe health care is a privilage then I can see why you want it left up to the free market if you are like me and believe it is a "human right" then government intervention is a must.

Maybe so, but I'm sure not anymore or less than Fox news where an over abundance of posters on here cite quite frequently. Even if you don't agree with the source the poll numbers and facts don't change.

 

You say fact, I say opinion.

 

Since you ignored the gist of my post asking what you knew about the health industry do you care to comment on the assertion that providers lose money on Medicare patients and that many now will not see Medicare patients? What happens in a nationalized system where providers can't make money seeing patients? Do you really believe that if it is no longer profitable to practice medicine that people will chose to take on the time and expense to become physicians, nurses, PTs etc. I see nationalization of health insurance (not health care, by law everyone in this country can get health care) as a giant step towards destrying our health care system and no one wins in that scenario.

I would tend to agree but why do some have so much faith in private enterprise to be effective at running anything? The thirst for profits leads to higher premiums, higher deductables, lower coverage levels, and more denied claims. If you believe health care is a privilage then I can see why you want it left up to the free market if you are like me and believe it is a "human right" then government intervention is a must.

 

I would venture that private businesses operate at a much lower administrative cost and probably pay out greater share of their revenue than do government programs.

 

Last I saw, the welfare system spent about 50% of it's money simply administering the program.

 

The medicare and medicade systems are horribly inefficient, and have helped fuel increases in healthcare cost due to the fact that the payments they are willing to give don't cover the costs of the service. Forcing the industry to raise it's prices on everybody else.

 

There is already a ton of government intervention and regulation in the system. I personally find it interesting that as government intervention has increased so has the cost of health care.

 

In fact I think you could probably apply government intervention = higer costs to virtually everything the government does.