With the domination of volleyball by a few schools, should their be a class system put in place?

Would all the small private schools who dominate be put into the same class, like class A?

I personally prefer the state tournament to be wide open to all!

I would keep it the way it is. If you split it there would still be the if/could/would/should questions to answer.

With the domination of volleyball by a few schools, should their be a class system put in place?

 

I guess if they did anything, I would rather see something where the big vball areas (louisville, lex and nky) had an opportunity to send more than just one team from each region to state. Many of the teams in those areas can and do easily beat the teams from other areas . . . maybe that would level the competition a little more at state. Don't want to exclude the other areas but if certain regions were either divided a little more or could send 2 and other regions sent one maybe things would work a little better. I know that in JO volleyball the number of teams sent by each region is determined by size and quality of region (minus those teams who go because of qualifiers).

 

Don't really have an answer for this but have spent many years watching teams beaten badly at state and many other quality teams not able to even get to state.

I would like to see Club play available to smaller areas in some form and that would help even the teams. Unfortunately it is very expensive and V-Ball is becoming a economically advantaged - girls sport. It is too bad that there are not more opportunities for small school players to participate. Most girls at small schools play basketball also, and you absolutely can not play on a club team because you can not start until March.

 

I hate to see economics divide the sport, but that is the reality. Look at who the top teams are.

I would like to see Club play available to smaller areas in some form and that would help even the teams. Unfortunately it is very expensive and V-Ball is becoming a economically advantaged - girls sport. It is too bad that there are not more opportunities for small school players to participate. Most girls at small schools play basketball also, and you absolutely can not play on a club team because you can not start until March.

 

I hate to see economics divide the sport, but that is the reality. Look at who the top teams are.

 

Actually, you can play both basketball and club ball. Some girls do both. It isnt easy though. High school basketball and club games overlap very little. Practices can be a problem. Some clubs support their girls playing basketball as it is great conditioning.

 

I agree, as a parent of a club player we have had very expensive years. However, anyone can start a club team. It too, isnt easy and the cost usually depends on how competetive you want to be. The better clubs/teams do a lot of traveling which is out of range for a lot of people. Depending on where you live in Kentucky there are usually enough driveable tournaments. Louisville, Dayton Ohio, Cincinnati do not require overnight hotel stays for some.

 

You have to find a coach and a group of parents willing to work hard to get things started. Of course, it cant be the coach who coaches them during regular season. You also have to find a gym willing to help out a start up team.

Actually, you can play both basketball and club ball. Some girls do both. It isnt easy though. High school basketball and club games overlap very little. Practices can be a problem. Some clubs support their girls playing basketball as it is great conditioning.

 

I agree, as a parent of a club player we have had very expensive years. However, anyone can start a club team. It too, isnt easy and the cost usually depends on how competetive you want to be. The better clubs/teams do a lot of traveling which is out of range for a lot of people. Depending on where you live in Kentucky there are usually enough driveable tournaments. Louisville, Dayton Ohio, Cincinnati do not require overnight hotel stays for some.

 

You have to find a coach and a group of parents willing to work hard to get things started. Of course, it cant be the coach who coaches them during regular season. You also have to find a gym willing to help out a start up team.

If you want to play in college, you have to play with an established club like NKYVC or MAVA or KIVA. These clubs have the ability to attract college coaches. Indedpendent teams rarely do.

I guess if they did anything, I would rather see something where the big vball areas (louisville, lex and nky) had an opportunity to send more than just one team from each region to state. Many of the teams in those areas can and do easily beat the teams from other areas . . . maybe that would level the competition a little more at state. Don't want to exclude the other areas but if certain regions were either divided a little more or could send 2 and other regions sent one maybe things would work a little better. I know that in JO volleyball the number of teams sent by each region is determined by size and quality of region (minus those teams who go because of qualifiers).

 

Don't really have an answer for this but have spent many years watching teams beaten badly at state and many other quality teams not able to even get to state.

 

 

 

Add a day and expand the State tourney is about the only solution I can think of? It would let some other quality teams in yet still give smaller Regions their shot at going to State.

Actually, you can play both basketball and club ball. Some girls do both. It isnt easy though. High school basketball and club games overlap very little. Practices can be a problem. Some clubs support their girls playing basketball as it is great conditioning.

 

I agree, as a parent of a club player we have had very expensive years. However, anyone can start a club team. It too, isnt easy and the cost usually depends on how competetive you want to be. The better clubs/teams do a lot of traveling which is out of range for a lot of people. Depending on where you live in Kentucky there are usually enough driveable tournaments. Louisville, Dayton Ohio, Cincinnati do not require overnight hotel stays for some.

 

You have to find a coach and a group of parents willing to work hard to get things started. Of course, it cant be the coach who coaches them during regular season. You also have to find a gym willing to help out a start up team.

 

 

This is very true but only at the smaller schools and even then it causes many problems and hard feelings. Girls doing both usually have to leave their school bball practice early to make it to their club practice which usually takes away from the school bball team. We all know that it takes big money to play club and no way will an athlete miss club practice for school practice(which is free). If they do miss club practice they may not play too much that next weekend on the club team.

 

I truely hate to tell athletes to pick and choose, but in these times unfortunately, these athletes have to in order to keep up w/everyone else competing for a scholarship.

 

Sorry, to the thread. I think just like bball, the state will keep things the way they are until too many somebody's complain enough. Even then, how would the state be divided? Would it be 1A/2A/3A schools in one division and then the rest in another?

If you want to play in college, you have to play with an established club like NKYVC or MAVA or KIVA. These clubs have the ability to attract college coaches. Indedpendent teams rarely do.

 

What about Team Z, are they included in this group??

If you want to play in college, you have to play with an established club like NKYVC or MAVA or KIVA. These clubs have the ability to attract college coaches. Indedpendent teams rarely do.

 

I understand that. NKYVC is one of the clubs that allows girls to play basketball, though usually only the younger ones do. I know NKYVC girls who played basketball as freshmen and a few as sophomores. The clubs above, including Team Z are the more successful, and most expensive.

 

However, Lunatic1 was asking for "some form" of club to be available. He wasnt asking about college, just club experience. There are lots of less competetive clubs around that get girls "hands on" volleyball experience that helps with their regular season game.

What about Team Z, are they included in this group??

Team Z (an Ohio club) would also be in this group.

I understand that. NKYVC is one of the clubs that allows girls to play basketball, though usually only the younger ones do. I know NKYVC girls who played basketball as freshmen and a few as sophomores. The clubs above, including Team Z are the more successful, and most expensive.

 

However, Lunatic1 was asking for "some form" of club to be available. He wasnt asking about college, just club experience. There are lots of less competetive clubs around that get girls "hands on" volleyball experience that helps with their regular season game.

 

My daughter has played for both NKYVC and Z. TeamZ's fees are all up front(including travel expense for coaches). NKYVC adds travelling expenses throughout the season. When it all said and done, the fees are very similiar.

In my opinion, depending upon what your daughter is looking to gain from participating in a club sport determines the type of club which she would play on. In other words, if your daugher has aspirations of playing for college, then she really does need to play for a club where the coaching staff, training and competition are stronger and the expecations for these clubs are higher since the cost is greater. And yes, like everything there is a higher price tag associated with that higher level of play. But, if she wants to develop her skills and keep a ball in her hand but does not wish to play at the college level, then there are other clubs to meet that need also. Let's face it, this is basic marketing. If there was not a consumer interest in all levels of clubs, they would not exist. There are high schools out there which "strongly suggests" their players play club, but I don't know if they all "strongly suggest" the top clubs for their players. I think that is why you have your independent teams pop up. They are not looking to play for the Team Z, MAVA, KIVA and NKYVC teams but still good competion where they can control the location of play and thereby the costs but still continue to develop the athletes. Your thoughts?

Would all the small private schools who dominate be put into the same class, like class A?

I personally prefer the state tournament to be wide open to all!

 

A split by size would be the logical split. Per the KHSAA enrollment data, here is the enrollment size for the following schools.

 

Assumption (13 of last 15 state titles, I believe) - 2032 students *

 

Sacred Heart - 1596 students*

 

Louisville Mercy - 882 students*

 

Notre Dame - 1176 students*

 

Presentation - 672 students*

 

Newport Central Catholic - 473 students

 

St. Henry - 540 students

 

Louisville Holy Cross - 311 students

 

Lex Lafayette - 2014 students

 

Henry Clay - 2119 students

 

Paul Dunbar - 2172 students

 

Butler - 1677 students

 

The schools with * have enrollment doubled to account for single gender enrollment. With the exception of NCC, St Henry, Presentation and Louisville Holy Cross, the schools dominating the volleyball scene are the big schools like Assumption, Sacred Heart, Notre Dame and the big publics from Louisville and Lexington.