Not WHAT SHOULD BE, but what will be?

 

1) Obama's race. Both non-African Americans not supporting him (Democrats included) because he is black and African Americans supporting him because he is black.

 

That is the major issue, IMHO, in this campaign.

 

2) Economy and fuel prices. People vote their pocketbook.

 

3) What some people think is an ambuigity about Obama's faith will be an issue. Some are looking for a reason to not support Obama beyond his race and this will be what they hold onto. All the while, the real reason is that they do not want to vote for him because of his race. They just want to be a nice racist and say it is his faith issues that concern them.

 

As long as Americans are not dying in huge numbers, I don't think the war will matter much. We will hear a lot about it, but Americans pocketbooks and them having to lower their spending habits is more important than Americans dying either at abortion clinics or in Iraq/Afghanstan.

 

Another terrorist attack on America especially on American soil would change things and bring that up to a major issue.

 

I hear no talk on illegal immigration compared to the talk on it 12 months ago. When is the last time that we have even had a BGP thread on illegal immigration? The only place this will be an issue is while courting the Hispanic vote.

 

I do wish that overturning Roe V Wade was #1 on the hit list but I am a realist to know it is not.

Not WHAT SHOULD BE, but what will be?

1) Obama's race. Both non-African Americans not supporting him (Democrats included) because he is black and African Americans supporting him because he is black.

 

That is the major issue, IMHO, in this campaign.

 

2) Economy and fuel prices. People vote their pocketbook.

 

3) What some people think is an ambuigity about Obama's faith will be an issue. Some are looking for a reason to not support Obama beyond his race and this will be what they hold onto. All the while, the real reason is that they do not want to vote for him because of his race. They just want to be a nice racist and say it is his faith issues that concern them.

 

As long as Americans are not dying in huge numbers, I don't think the war will matter much. We will hear a lot about it, but Americans pocketbooks and them having to lower their spending habits is more important than Americans dying either at abortion clinics or in Iraq/Afghanstan.

 

Another terrorist attack on America especially on American soil would change things and bring that up to a major issue.

 

I hear no talk on illegal immigration compared to the talk on it 12 months ago. When is the last time that we have even had a BGP thread on illegal immigration? The only place this will be an issue is while courting the Hispanic vote.

 

I do wish that overturning Roe V Wade was #1 on the hit list but I am a realist to know it is not.

 

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Question,

 

If R v W is overturned, doesn't that mean it's a state by state decision?

 

If so, what does overturning R v W accomplish.

Question,

 

If R v W is overturned, doesn't that mean it's a state by state decision?

 

If so, what does overturning R v W accomplish.

 

Each state can outlaw abortion. But that is for another thread and quit threadjacking my thread.

 

This thread is about what issues do you think WILL be the key issues in this Presidential election.:sssh::lol:

Question #2:

 

Most everyone has said they have more than enough to sway their vote away from Obama without considering race.

 

Do you feel that that's an inacurate statement?

Each state can outlaw abortion. But that is for another thread and quit threadjacking my thread.

 

This thread is about what issues do you think WILL be the key issues in this Presidential election.:sssh::lol:

 

 

I'm trying to determine whether our not it should be a key issue.

 

I'm not trying to threadjack.

For both sides, the issues are irrelevant to their core supporters.

 

However, to those making a decision between the two, I'd say "1. economy 2. war/anti-Bush and 3. leadership/charisma (and I think they're tied together).

Question #2:

 

Most everyone has said they have more than enough to sway their vote away from Obama without considering race.

 

Do you feel that that's an inacurate statement?

 

I think a lot of people BUT NOT ALL are hoping to find a reason to NOT to vote for him, so they can say that this is the reason while all the time NOT wanting to vote for him because of his race.

 

They are trying to be polite racists. It infuriates me.

 

At least a lot of people in my family and that I have conversations with are like that.

 

I will also add that this view is primarily on the 50 and older crowd that grew up in another time.

I'm trying to determine whether our not it should be a key issue.

 

I'm not trying to threadjack.

 

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Presently, the only way to outlaw abortion would be a national amendment to the constitution, I think.

 

That is not going to happen.

 

If Roe v Wade is overturned, then it goes back to the states. I believe that there would be many states that would ban abortions at their state level. I think Ky just might.

 

At that time, you can start to work on changing the mindsets of the states that do not feel that way and work on banning abortions in those states.

 

At the SAME TIME, you have to be working with churches (notice I do not put all the onus on government) to provide counseling and programs that help out mothers so that they don't have to go to the stereotypical back alley or the next state over.

For both sides, the issues are irrelevant to their core supporters.

However, to those making a decision between the two, I'd say "1. economy 2. war/anti-Bush and 3. leadership/charisma (and I think they're tied together).

 

I disagree. I know people that ONLY vote the Democrat ticket. They pull that Democrat ticket and don't need to know anything about the candidates besides they have a D behind their name.

 

They have a lot of hesistation about voting for Obama and some have said they will not.

 

In some cases, I think it is because he is 1/2 African American. in some cases, I KNOW it is because he is 1/2 African American. Of course, in their warped ridiculous, out of touch, they see him as 100% black.

I disagree. I know people that ONLY vote the Democrat ticket. They pull that Democrat ticket and don't need to know anything about the candidates besides they have a D behind their name.

 

They have a lot of hesistation about voting for Obama and some have said they will not.

 

In some cases, I think it is because he is 1/2 African American. in some cases, I KNOW it is because he is 1/2 African American. Of course, in their warped ridiculous, out of touch, they see him as 100% black.

 

Let me clarify. Hard core right-wingers and hard-core lefties , with few exceptions, don't have to take any of those factors into account. They already know who they're voting for.

I think a lot of people BUT NOT ALL are hoping to find a reason to NOT to vote for him, so they can say that this is the reason while all the time NOT wanting to vote for him because of his race.

 

They are trying to be polite racists. It infuriates me.

 

At least a lot of people in my family and that I have conversations with are like that.

 

I will also add that this view is primarily on the 50 and older crowd that grew up in another time.

 

But, polite racists are on both sides of the aisle. Luckily, Obama is a alleged liberal, black candidate, so they don't have to admit that race is their determinant. They can attack his stance on issues without fear of having to disclose racism as the reason.

 

I wonder what would happen if a conservative or, moderately conservative/Republican were to run, what the "issues" would be.

I don't intend to vote for Obama. I tell myself that race has nothing to do with it; but I'm not entirely sure. If it is, in the back of my mind somewhere, a factor, I can at least say that it isn't the only (or primary) one.

 

This is an unusual election. It will force each of us to examine our own motives and beliefs and decide what's really important.

But, polite racists are on both sides of the aisle. Luckily, Obama is a alleged liberal, black candidate, so they don't have to admit that race is their determinant. They can attack his stance on issues without fear of having to disclose racism as the reason.

 

I wonder what would happen if a conservative or, moderately conservative/Republican were to run, what the "issues" would be.

Like Alan Keyes? In the Presidential Candidate Selector threads, he is most people's number 1 candidate. I agree with him on most issues, except for the death penalty and protectionism, and I'd support him.

But, polite racists are on both sides of the aisle. Luckily, Obama is a alleged liberal, black candidate, so they don't have to admit that race is their determinant. They can attack his stance on issues without fear of having to disclose racism as the reason.

 

I wonder what would happen if a conservative or, moderately conservative/Republican were to run, what the "issues" would be.

 

I agree and what I was meaning.

 

Race will be the issue on either their support for him or their stance against him but they will hide behind some issue.