For the record I don't think that UC should have gotten involved with the other kid either.

 

We agree.

Obviously, RM, I completely disagree with the rationale used above.

 

Why does it matter WHERE the 2nd chance is given? Does that somehow lessen the terrible act? I don't follow that logic at all.

 

First, they violated the university's policies. Even if a death hadn't resulted, the university has the right to deny them the opportunity to finish their education there.

 

Obviously , death is terrible. However, using that logic would tell me that you don't believe rape is as serious as murder. We can debate that from a legal standpoint but there should be no debate when we're talking about granting a young man the "right" to play college athleteics. Egregious is egregious.

 

I never said one was worse than the other. But, using your logic, a prank that results in death is not as bad as rape. It's not about what is worse. My simple logic is that the University has the right to deny a student the opportunity to attend. They, like the football player's former institution, have not said they couldn't pursue other opportunities. I believe all parties in both situations should have the opportunity to pursue their educations at insitutions other than the ones at which their crimes were comitted, as long as they are honest if the subject of their past comes up, and they find an institution willing to take them. I believe that people can learn from their mistakes. But I don't have to think that an offended institution has to be the place where they prove that.

 

 

I never said one was worse than the other. But, using your logic, a prank that results in death is not as bad as rape. It's not about what is worse. My simple logic is that the University has the right to deny a student the opportunity to attend. They, like the football player's former institution, have not said they couldn't pursue other opportunities. I believe all parties in both situations should have the opportunity to pursue their educations at insitutions other than the ones at which their crimes were comitted, as long as they are honest if the subject of their past comes up, and they find an institution willing to take them. I believe that people can learn from their mistakes. But I don't have to think that an offended institution has to be the place where they prove that.

 

So, your point is that no matter what they did, as long as the student is not in jail, they are free to pursue their education at ANOTHER institution. You don't put much weight into what the actual infraction was.

 

We disagree. I think one's actions should follow that person and we can't simply write it off as "its okay if he gets another chance but we have to send a message and say he can't do it at his first choice." That's weak and it doesn't sent the offender any sort of message.

 

BU got it right. UC showed where their head is despite what their words are.

If you think UC made the right decision, which of the following would have to happen in order for you to say UC should not take the kid:

 

A. robbery

B. Beat up a person because of their race or sexual orientation

C. sold crack or cocaine

D. feel free to add your own

So, your point is that no matter what they did, as long as the student is not in jail, they are free to pursue their education at ANOTHER institution. You don't put much weight into what the actual infraction was.

As long as they've satisfied their terms of punishment, then, no, I don't. What you imply is that no one who's been in jail or prison has a right to pursue an education after they've met their obligations.

 

We disagree. I think one's actions should follow that person and we can't simply write it off as "its okay if he gets another chance but we have to send a message and say he can't do it at his first choice." That's weak and it doesn't sent the offender any sort of message.

So someone should expect a lifetime of punishment for even one bad decision? I honestly, HONESTLY hope you never have to face that situation yourself, either personally or one of your family members.

 

BU got it right. UC showed where their head is despite what their words are.

 

Can't respond to that...I don't know what happened in the end. :lol:

As long as they've satisfied their terms of punishment, then, no, I don't. What you imply is that no one who's been in jail or prison has a right to pursue an education after they've met their obligations.

 

So someone should expect a lifetime of punishment for even one bad decision? I honestly, HONESTLY hope you never have to face that situation yourself, either personally or one of your family members.

 

 

 

Can't respond to that...I don't know what happened in the end. :lol:

 

1. I'm not saying they cannot pursue their education. I hope they do. However, IMO they've forfeited the right to participate in collegiate athletics.

2.To your second point, see #1.

 

Let me be clear that we disagree but there is no venom towards you in my response. I don't understand how you rationalize the two . Nothing more.

These kids paid their dues. They made a mistake. Who hasn't?

I have made plenty of mistakes, especially in college. Not one of them resulted in the death of another. I think you're off base Clyde. Let me pose this to you then,,,,,What if, God forbid, that was your son in the room? You respond the same way? Somehow I doubt it.

I have made plenty of mistakes, especially in college. Not one of them resulted in the death of another. I think you're off base Clyde. Let me pose this to you then,,,,,What if, God forbid, that was your son in the room? You respond the same way? Somehow I doubt it.

 

Doc, you need to read the rest of Clyde's posts in the thread. He was playing Devil's Advocate in regard to this situation because he was one of the only people in another thread that thought that an athlete's actions should preclude them from playing college sports. :thumb:

I read them in both threads, just making a point. It would be hard to estimate how close I had been many times to being in the wrong place at the wrong time. We did some pretty stupid things, some of which were no doubt dangerous to us and others. I just hope my kids take a better route.

I read them in both threads, just making a point. It would be hard to estimate how close I had been many times to being in the wrong place at the wrong time. We did some pretty stupid things, some of which were no doubt dangerous to us and others. I just hope my kids take a better route.

 

Spindoc, to be clear on where I stand - in neither case (UC or Bradley) do I believe the young men should EVER step foot on an college field again. They can pursue their education. Nothing more.

Spindoc, to be clear on where I stand - in neither case (UC or Bradley) do I believe the young men should EVER step foot on an college field again. They can pursue their education. Nothing more.

I know, and we are in total agreement.:thumb:

The reason I continued to make the point, I had a friend that poured aftershave under his neighbor's door in our dorm and lit it. Not much different than this, perhaps worse. The fellow was awake and coherent however and put it out, thank God.