Who? What? I can post a graph that shows that the average global temperature has increased to that of the surface of the sun... and it'll look even spiffier.

Who? What? I can post a graph that shows that the average global temperature has increased to that of the surface of the sun... and it'll look even spiffier.

You asked if you could see the data. I posted a graph with large print covering the period that I cited, which I assume that you can see, and which supported my statement.

 

Feel free to post all the pretty graphs that you want. NASA’s Microwave Sounding Unit (MSU), the UK’s Hadley Climate Research Unit, and the Mauna Loa Observatory (CO2) are all respected sources of data.

 

Whether man made climate change is fact or fiction, it is not settled science as the huckster Al Gore would have us believe.

The last 100 years represents roughly 0.0000025% of Earth's history.

 

Pardon me while I withhold judgement on the causes and effects of global climate change.

Temperatures rise and fall in cycles. The recent drops have nearly offset the increases that were recorded over the past century.

 

The world has been much hotter in the past and it has been much cooler in the past. In the future, the world will be much hotter at times and it will be much cooler at other times and there is nothing that man can do with current technology to change that pattern.

 

I do not agree with the "do something even if it is wrong" school of thought. The people who are still pushing the anthrocentric global warming are doing so for mainly for political and financial gain because if they were looking at real world data instead of theoretical models that did not predict the current cooling trend, then they could not continue making such ridiculous predictions with straight faces.

 

 

 

 

If Bush believes global warming is a real threat then that is plain sad. If he is only claiming to buy into Al Gore's agenda for political reasons, then that is even worse.

 

This is a great day for China and other large polluters with emerging economies.

 

 

 

 

 

A man with such an incredible and diverse knowledge base. And a climatologist as well..... amazing! :thumb::lol:

You asked if you could see the data. I posted a graph with large print covering the period that I cited, which I assume that you can see, and which supported my statement.

 

Feel free to post all the pretty graphs that you want. NASA’s Microwave Sounding Unit (MSU), the UK’s Hadley Climate Research Unit, and the Mauna Loa Observatory (CO2) are all respected sources of data.

 

Whether man made climate change is fact or fiction, it is not settled science as the huckster Al Gore would have us believe.

That's a pretty picture, not data.

That's a pretty picture, not data.

 

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That's a pretty picture, not data.

Thanks. Line graphs are pretty standard fare when summarizing thousands of individual measurements. If you have a few weeks to analyze and summarize thousands of data points and create your own charts, then good luck.

A man with such an incredible and diverse knowledge base. And a climatologist as well..... amazing! :thumb::lol:

Here we see one of the most effective tools employed by global warming alarmists...ridicule. I am pretty confident that my educational and work experience make me at least as well qualified to voice an opinion on this subject as Al Gore - and I am not being paid a penny for my opinion.

Here is a pretty good discussion about some of the sources of error in temperature measurements used to prove global warming, for those who still have an open mind on the subject.

 

Our Climate Numbers Are a Big Old Mess

VP Chaney was heard this week in a dinner with reporters saying that it was indeed warming. He was sure it would get hotter before it got cooler.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

After all......it is SPRING!:lol::dancingpa

This was interesting reading.....

 

1 MYTH Planet earth is currently undergoing global warming

FACT Accurate and representative temperature measurements from satellites and balloons show that the planet has cooled significantly in the last two or three years, losing in only 18 months 15% of the claimed warming which took over 100 years to appear — that warming was only one degree Fahrenheit (half of one degree Celsius) anyway, and part of this is a systematic error from ground station readings which are inflated due to the 'urban heat island effect' i.e. local heat retention due to urban sprawl, not global warming...and it is these, 'false high' ground readings which are then programmed into the disreputable climate models, which live up to the GIGO acronym — garbage in, garbage out.

2 MYTH Even slight temperature rises are disastrous, ice caps will melt, people will die

FACT In the UK, every mild winter saves 20,000 cold-related deaths, and scaled up over northern Europe mild winters save hundreds of thousands of lives each year, also parts of ice caps are melting yet other parts are thickening but this isn't reported as much (home experiment: put some water in a jug or bowl, add a layer of ice cubes and mark the level — wait until the ice has melted and look again, the level will have fallen). Data from ice core samples shows that in the past, temperatures have risen by ten times the current rise, and fallen again, in the space of a human lifetime.

 

3 MYTH Carbon Dioxide levels in our atmosphere at the moment are unprecedented (high).

FACT Atmospheric carbon dioxide levels, currently only 350 parts per million have been over 18 times higher in the past at a time when cars, factories and power stations did not exist — levels rise and fall without mankind's help.

 

4 MYTH Mankind is pumping out carbon dioxide at a prodigious rate.

FACT 96.5% of all carbon dioxide emissions are from natural sources, mankind is responsible for only 3.5%, with 0.6% coming from fuel to move vehicles, and about 1% from fuel to heat buildings. Yet vehicle fuel (petrol) is taxed at 300% while fuel to heat buildings is taxed at 5% even though buildings emit nearly twice as much carbon dioxide!

 

5 MYTH Carbon dioxide changes in the atmosphere cause temperature changes on the earth.

FACT A report in the journal 'Science' in January of this year showed using information from ice cores with high time resolution that since the last ice age, every time when the temperature and carbon dioxide levels have shifted, the carbon dioxide change happened AFTER the temperature change, so that man-made global warming theory has put effect before cause — this shows that reducing carbon dioxide emissions is a futile King Canute exercise! What's more, both water vapour and methane are far more powerful greenhouse gases than carbon dioxide but they are ignored.

 

6 MYTH Reducing car use will cut carbon dioxide levels and save the planet

FACT The planet does not need saving, but taking this on anyway, removing every car from every road in every country overnight would NOT produce any change in the carbon dioxide level of the atmosphere, as can be seen using the numbers from Fact 4, and in any case it is pointless trying to alter climate by changing carbon dioxide levels as the cause and effect is the other way round — it is changes in the activity of the Sun that cause temperature changes on earth, with any temperature rise causing carbon dioxide to de-gas from the oceans.

 

7 MYTH The recent wet weather and flooding was caused by mankind through 'global warming'

FACT Extreme weather correlates with the cycle of solar activity, not carbon dioxide emissions or political elections, the recent heavy rainfall in winter and spring is a perfect example of this — it occurred at solar maximum at a time when solar maxima are very intense — this pattern may well repeat every 11 years until about 2045.

 

8 MYTH The climate change levy, petrol duty, CO2 car tax and workplace parking charges are justifiable environmental taxes.

FACT As carbon dioxide emissions from cars and factories does not have any measurable impact on climate, these taxes are 'just another tax' on enterprise and mobility, and have no real green credentials.

 

9 MYTH Scientists on the Inter-governmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) issue reports that say 'global warming' is real and that we must do something now.

FACT Scientists draft reports for the IPCC, but the IPCC are bureaucrats appointed by governments, in fact many scientists who contribute to the reports disagree with the 'spin' that the IPCC and media put on their findings.

The latest report suggests that the next 100 years might see a temperature change of 6 Celsius yet a Lead Author for the IPCC (Dr John Christy UAH/NASA) has pointed out that the scenarios with the fastest warming rates were added to the report at a late stage, at the request of a few governments — in other words the scientists were told what to do by politicians.

 

10 MYTH There are only a tiny handful of maverick scientists who dispute that man-made global warming theory is true.

FACT There are nearly 18,000 signatures from scientists worldwide on a petition called The Oregon Petition which says that there is no evidence for man-made global warming theory nor for any impact from mankind's activities on climate.

Many scientists believe that the Kyoto agreement is a total waste of time and one of the biggest political scams ever perpetrated on the public ... as H L Mencken said "the fundamental aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed, and hence clamorous to be led to safety, by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary" ........

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