Perhaps, but it is awful fun to poke at him with. ManBearPig.

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Based on what?

Nothing too specific but I just think the overall attitude/actions of the White House have been changing in the last year or two. The administration has seemed to have a different demeanor lately but this is just one mans opinion.

YES. Cheney is smarter/more honest/more honorable than 99.9999% of his detractors...and all Americans for that matter...he's right up there with my favorite people of my lifetime...

I wouldn't say that the executive branch as a whole has been less than honest (pick anything) or smart (Iraq); although I do admit I voted for them. I can't help but admire a man that can shoot somebody in the face and then have that person apologize to you. But as far as this business of Cheney not being in the executive branch (and I'm no constitutional scholar, but), that's not a "fascinating academic question", it's a load of rubbish (IMHO).

The executive Power shall be vested in a President of the United States of America. He shall hold his Office during the Term of four Years, and, together with the Vice President, chosen for the same Term

 

Seems pretty straight forward to me, although I haven't studied the Constitution since the 7th grade.

 

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I wouldn't say that the executive branch as a whole has been less than honest (pick anything) or smart (Iraq); although I do admit I voted for them. I can't help but admire a man that can shoot somebody in the face and then have that person apologize to you. But as far as this business of Cheney not being in the executive branch (and I'm no constitutional scholar, but), that's not a "fascinating academic question", it's a load of rubbish (IMHO).

 

I am a constitutional scholar. Since the Vice President's principle constitutional function when there is a sitting President is as President pro tempore of Congress (legislative branch), how can you justify that claim?

Jim Schue it seems we are the only ones that put 2 and 2 together when it comes to dubya and saddam, his vendetta will still be getting people killed long after he and Lon cheyney are out of office

Since Congress is a direct vote of the people and the pres and vp are delegate votes the vp has to be in the exec branch

He is president pro tem of the senate not congress//just the 1 branch

I am a constitutional scholar. Since the Vice President's principle constitutional function when there is a sitting President is as President pro tempore of Congress (legislative branch), how can you justify that claim?

As a political science major and history minor, I have a background there too and I think that Cheney has a legal point... but not one I want to argue before a Federal judge. Cheney is at least partialy part of the executive branch.

 

Really, they should give DC a real vote and drop the VP from the senate. I would vote for that ammendment.

Yes, the Vice President is the President of the Senate, but he doesn't have a vote unless something is equally divided, which happens what, once a month? Of course you hardly see more than 5 senators in the senate at any given moment these days.

 

The Vice President replaces the president if the president is killed, impeached absent or determined to be rendered incapable for any other reason even if only temporary. That would lead me to believe that although the position is unique, it is undeniable tied to the Executive branch. (like I said I'm not constitutional scholar, but I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night )

 

Further more, Cheney has in the past claimed executive privilege when he's been asked or told to release information. He can't have it both ways. One would think that he'd have to release even more information as part of the legislative branch. He has more access to confidential information than most legislators. I've never heard any stories on him being on any of the senate committees. Where does he fit in the system of checks and balances? Cheney first didn't have to answer to Congress and now he doesn't have to answer to president Bush, who does he answer to? Certainly not the American people, no one in the federal gov't has had to do that in a long time.:irked:

Jim Schue it seems we are the only ones that put 2 and 2 together when it comes to dubya and saddam, his vendetta will still be getting people killed long after he and Lon cheyney are out of office

 

 

What's the topic again????

Yes, the Vice President is the President of the Senate, but he doesn't have a vote unless something is equally divided, which happens what, once a month? Of course you hardly see more than 5 senators in the senate at any given moment these days.

 

The Vice President replaces the president if the president is killed, impeached absent or determined to be rendered incapable for any other reason even if only temporary. That would lead me to believe that although the position is unique, it is undeniable tied to the Executive branch. (like I said I'm not constitutional scholar, but I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night )

 

Further more, Cheney has in the past claimed executive privilege when he's been asked or told to release information. He can't have it both ways. One would think that he'd have to release even more information as part of the legislative branch. He has more access to confidential information than most legislators. I've never heard any stories on him being on any of the senate committees. Where does he fit in the system of checks and balances? Cheney first didn't have to answer to Congress and now he doesn't have to answer to president Bush, who does he answer to? Certainly not the American people, no one in the federal gov't has had to do that in a long time.:irked:

 

With this question, you have made the Veep's case for him. The issue has never been explored legally before, because we've never had a Veep exercise as much power. Why can't Cheney have it both ways? His position constitutionally occupies two fields of government. Doesn't that make his legal point valid? Or do you just condemn him because you don't like him and are frustrated by his legal expansion of the role of V.P.?

What's the topic again????

 

There is a BGP rule that states that in every P&R thread, regardless of topic, someone must make a declaration of GWB's fault. Springsteen is merely fulfilling that role in this thread.

Since Congress is a direct vote of the people and the pres and vp are delegate votes the vp has to be in the exec branch

 

Actually, that's not all that bad a legal point.:eek:

Considering Cheney has been a staunch advocate of expanding executive power and has previously used executive privilege as a defense for keeping private executive documents private, I don't think he can make much of a case for being part of the legislative body. Although there may be a "fascinating legal question," Cheney isn't exactly in a position to solve it.

 

It's also a bit troublesome that someone who supports executive power so much has gone to the lengths of declaring himself a separate part of government to hide whatever it is he is hiding.