I absolutely believe that President Bush has made a complete and total mess of Iraq, from the decision to start in the first place, to the management since the invasion, to the decision to ramp up our involvement. With that said, elections have consequences and we are paying now for our mistakes in 2000 and 2004. That means that he is the CIC and gets to decide. Congress will give him the money he needs, without binding restrictions, but only after they make sure that everyone knows that they don't like it. I seldom agree with Patrick Buchanan, but in this case he is right. Iraq is the biggest strategic blunder of modern American history, maybe ever. We will pay for it for a long time.

Ok....If your gonna start your debate with the why are we in Iraq statement, then you have already lost the argument... Anyone who has a clue about what the War on terrorism is can see the bigger picture. If we do not fight this war somewhere.. where do you think we should fight it?? D.C? NYC? How about Atlanta? We are gonna have to fight it eventually! Libs want to pretend that another 9 11 is not possible, or that it did not really happen... Yeah, its tough but we are up against a enemy like no other. Some people's hatred for George Bush will not allow them to see what is really at stake !

The fact of the matter is with every major military operation (and some not so major military operation) there will always be those military folks that agree with the strategy and those that don't. When things don't go as planned (and it rarely does, particularly the major ones) those who were against the plan come out of the wood work saying "I told you so".

 

 

 

People need to realize that Bush probably got more different advise than I have pounds, and that's a lot. But at the end of the day, you have to make a decision. He listened to them all and then decided to follow the advise of Rumsfeld. I realize that folks think Rummy is a dummy, but people need to remember that he was a highly credentialed and highly experienced on military matters. More than perhaps any Sec Def that we've ever had. And keep in mind that a lot of military leaders were agreeing with Rumsfeld.

 

For what its worth, I got to watch a few minutes of the ABC morning new segment on Tues. Diane Sawyer was talking to retired Army General Keane, a consultant to ABC on military affairs. He was so pro-surge strategy I couldn't believe ABC had him on. He fully supported the surge strategy; his only criticism is that its taking to long to get all the troops over there. And I agree with that criticism.

 

I believe with every fiber of my body that the surge would work if we'd just stop encouraging the insurgents and stop demoralizing our troops and the Iraqi people that support us by stopping the "Iraq is lost" political rhetoric flying around. It will take time, but it will work. We just need to stop the grandstanding for the presidential election in 08.

 

I fully realize that to some extent the Republicans made this bed they are sleeping in by treating the Democrats poorly when the Republicans were in control. We are only now getting what they dished out. But I naively I guess wish the Democrats would realize what's at stake in Iraq and rise above the "get even" mentality. Rather than making issues for political gain, let Bush run the operation. If come election time next year things have not improved, there will be a Democrat in the White House who can then call his own shots. Until then, respectfully disagree with Bush but tell the world as long as Bush is Pres and calling the shots, we support him and his decisions.

Just saw this post!:ylsuper: :thumb:

This is rediculous, just because someone agree's more with one group than another doesn't mean that they're writing off those opinions completely. You're acting like there were many Generals and Military officials just completely ignored. You never cite the ones that agreed or supported the President, I guess you don't care to look those numbers up let alone mention that they exist...

Forgive me and the majority of the American people for being skeptical of this President's statements where Iraq is concerned. He and his minions have been wrong about very nearly everything where the Iraq war is concerned.

 

- The bogus 9/11 connection

- The nonexistant WMD's

- The undersized invasion force

- The assertion that invading Iraq would make America safer from terrorism

- The wildly understated costs of the war

- The prediction of being greeted as liberators

- The disbanding of the Iraqi military

- The declaration of the insurgency being in its last throes

- The overstated significance of numerous meaningless elections

- The 2005 statement that more troops were not needed

- The 2007 surge ordering more troops

 

Quite frankly, I'm impressed that there are Bush supporters who can still draw up to their computer keyboards and, in spite of their innermost disillusionment with his failed presidency, summon the resolve to articulate an argument in his favor.

 

I'll try to say this diplomatically, but I couldn't give a hoot in hades whether you are impressed or not with the fact that I and others can still draw up to the keyboard to support Pres. Bush.

I find it funny that someone posting about the president being wrong has at least half his bullet points wrong. Not even worth debating.

I find it funny that someone posting about the president being wrong has at least half his bullet points wrong. Not even worth debating.

 

Half? :laugh: All I have to do is dig up quotes from the Administration on each of the above topics. The history of the past four years does all the heavy lifting required to prove how wrong this president has been.

Quite frankly, I'm impressed that there are Bush supporters who can still draw up to their computer keyboards and, in spite of their innermost disillusionment with his failed presidency, summon the resolve to articulate an argument in his favor.

 

Supreme Court justices. Gotta give me that one, H.:lol:

Supreme Court justices. Gotta give me that one, H.:lol:

 

 

OK. I'll give you that one. Those are legitimate success stories of the Bush presidency.