The War in Iraq, IMO is starting to look at me like Vietnam. No offense to any veterans of either wars, we should get out of there.

I had thought of some options for Iraq and here is one of them:

Ask the UN to divide Iraq into three countries. One for the Kurds, One for the Sunis, and if the Shi'ites want a seperate country, give them one (unless they want to be part of Iran)

I know Bush has basically killed us financially,morally, but he has done some good things.

 

 

It's an interesting thought but that's part of the problem we have now. After WW I these nations were formed and just carved out of the area with little understanding of how this tribe got the deal with oil and this tribe was left out. Hence one of the reasons Iraq invaded Kuwait thinking they had a right to that area.

This morning, I read an interview with Condoleeza Rice, and she is saying that we are winning the war in Iraq. It would appear that the circulation system for getting the talking points to the team is breaking down.

 

The majority of people have believed that Iraq has looked a lot like Vietnam for over two years now - some would say longer. My business partner (who served in Vietnam) and I were on a trip to western Kentucky in early 2003 (before the invasion), and he said then that this would be another Vietnam. Good call on his part.

 

As for the solution, I think that at some point, we will ultimately walk away and let them fight amongst themselves, until there is a single government to deal with (just like Vietnam). The citizens of Iraq value power more than they value peace, and nothing - absolutely nothing - that we do can change that mindset. It is who they are. They are in the midst of a civil war, and until it is finished, we are simply sacrificing men, money, and material in Iraq.

 

I watched Scarborough Country last night, and listened to Joe state that he voted for Bush twice, and fully supported this war from the beginning. He then went on to say six months ago, it became clear that the war is a mistake, and that Bush has butchered the job from day one. While I admire his firm grasp of the obvious, he failed to mention that as little as seven months ago, he was helping lead the way in parroting the "cut and run" attacks that questioned the patriotism of anyone that wasn't fully on board with W's game plan in Iraq.

 

Personally, I have no problem with the fact that someone disagrees with how I view this war, or W as a president, but the attacks on all Democrats (or anyone else that doesn't buy into this absolute disaster of a war) as being "unpatriotic" or of lesser morals is both despicable and disengenuous.

 

 

 

Frances

At least 2,000 years tends to disagree...

 

Yeah...there will be peace in the Middle East someday, but George W. Bush isn't the man for the job...:sssh:

There is always going to be stupid rhetoric from both sides. Just as dumb as the current W. comment, there are just as many people excited the war is being "lost."

 

The best way I can sum up my thoughts on the whole situation: whether it is the right or wrong thing you are trying to accomplish, you cannot help an entire nation of people that does not want to be helped.

 

I'm not so sure that the majority in Iraq doesn't want help...the problem is the people that just want to destroy are making more noise. And with Iran pulling all the strings to support terrorism against the United States in Iraq and elsewhere, it makes it virtually impossible. The United States will have to seriously deal with Iran before they can ever make any serious headway in Iraq, and I don't see that happening, so we're left with a big mess.

This morning, I read an interview with Condoleeza Rice, and she is saying that we are winning the war in Iraq. It would appear that the circulation system for getting the talking points to the team is breaking down.

 

The majority of people have believed that Iraq has looked a lot like Vietnam for over two years now - some would say longer. My business partner (who served in Vietnam) and I were on a trip to western Kentucky in early 2003 (before the invasion), and he said then that this would be another Vietnam. Good call on his part.

 

As for the solution, I think that at some point, we will ultimately walk away and let them fight amongst themselves, until there is a single government to deal with (just like Vietnam). The citizens of Iraq value power more than they value peace, and nothing - absolutely nothing - that we do can change that mindset. It is who they are. They are in the midst of a civil war, and until it is finished, we are simply sacrificing men, money, and material in Iraq.

 

I watched Scarborough Country last night, and listened to Joe state that he voted for Bush twice, and fully supported this war from the beginning. He then went on to say six months ago, it became clear that the war is a mistake, and that Bush has butchered the job from day one. While I admire his firm grasp of the obvious, he failed to mention that as little as seven months ago, he was helping lead the way in parroting the "cut and run" attacks that questioned the patriotism of anyone that wasn't fully on board with W's game plan in Iraq.

 

Personally, I have no problem with the fact that someone disagrees with how I view this war, or W as a president, but the attacks on all Democrats (or anyone else that doesn't buy into this absolute disaster of a war) as being "unpatriotic" or of lesser morals is both despicable and disengenuous.

 

 

 

Frances

Frances I first want to say that I enjoy reading your comments.

Does anyone think, though that we should just leave, let them fight it out, and let the most powerful person become dictator.

Iraq's people are nothing but power hungry. It is who they are. Until the civil war they are in is finished, we are simply sacrificing men, money, and material in Iraq.

This morning, I read an interview with Condoleeza Rice, and she is saying that we are winning the war in Iraq. It would appear that the circulation system for getting the talking points to the team is breaking down.

 

The majority of people have believed that Iraq has looked a lot like Vietnam for over two years now - some would say longer. My business partner (who served in Vietnam) and I were on a trip to western Kentucky in early 2003 (before the invasion), and he said then that this would be another Vietnam. Good call on his part.

 

As for the solution, I think that at some point, we will ultimately walk away and let them fight amongst themselves, until there is a single government to deal with (just like Vietnam). The citizens of Iraq value power more than they value peace, and nothing - absolutely nothing - that we do can change that mindset. It is who they are. They are in the midst of a civil war, and until it is finished, we are simply sacrificing men, money, and material in Iraq.

 

I watched Scarborough Country last night, and listened to Joe state that he voted for Bush twice, and fully supported this war from the beginning. He then went on to say six months ago, it became clear that the war is a mistake, and that Bush has butchered the job from day one. While I admire his firm grasp of the obvious, he failed to mention that as little as seven months ago, he was helping lead the way in parroting the "cut and run" attacks that questioned the patriotism of anyone that wasn't fully on board with W's game plan in Iraq.

 

Personally, I have no problem with the fact that someone disagrees with how I view this war, or W as a president, but the attacks on all Democrats (or anyone else that doesn't buy into this absolute disaster of a war) as being "unpatriotic" or of lesser morals is both despicable and disengenuous.

 

 

 

Frances

 

I agree with your comments. I remember when Scarborough, Joe Elliott (WHAS radio), and many other right-leaning talk show hosts were very supportive of the decision to invade Iraq. They are now almost in unanimity that the invasion was a bad idea that has evolved into a fiasco. About the only ones who have maintained their unwavering support are Limbaugh and Bill O'Reilly, neither of whom ever seem to meet a Bush decision they don't like (for this reason, I don't look at either of them as even remotely objective). A few months ago, Scarborough had a segment on his show asking if George W. Bush was stupid. If Scarborough is asking this question, should we, by association, question his intelligence for supporting Bush's Iraq policy for so long?

... A few months ago, Scarborough had a segment on his show asking if George W. Bush was stupid. If Scarborough is asking this question, should we, by association, question his intelligence for supporting Bush's Iraq policy for so long?

 

I won't question Scarborough's intelligence, simply because I don't really care.

 

My only question is:

If they were having a show questioning W's intelligence, why wasn't I invited to speak???

 

 

Brokenhearted,

Frances

I won't question Scarborough's intelligence, simply because I don't really care.

 

My only question is:

If they were having a show questioning W's intelligence, why wasn't I invited to speak???

 

 

Brokenhearted,

Frances

 

 

You were not on Frances!!! Sorry.

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Now that's some funny stuff....I don't car who ya are.

Can we win this war? Sure we can. We can start massive air raids today, wipe out all of of the terrorists in the country and be done with it in probably 30 days or less. But at the same time you wipe out the entire population of the country because that is where the terrorists are. They are in the crowds walking down the streets. They are in the shopping centers, the stores. What do you do?

 

Sadam is now dead. A map for a democratic government has been drawn. We have done all we can do. It is up to the Iraqi people now to recognize who the people are who have the bombs strapped to their chests, if they even want to. We can't force our way of Christian thinking on these people. WE NEED TO GET OUR PEOPLE OUT OF THERE NOW.

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