If you do not wish to believe the result of the polls, that is fine. From this point on, when you request something, I will simply ignore the request.

 

You asked for "a link to a poll that states the majority think the war "is not worth fighting."

 

I supplied a link to one poll (which is backed up by virtually every other poll that asks the same question) that demonstrated EXACTLY what you asked for. You are welcome to ignore, or intentionally misunderstand what the poll shows, but that is your choice - not mine.

 

Perhaps you could give me a link to a poll that backs up your claim - that the Iraq situation has contributed to the long term security of the United States.

 

Frances

 

http://www.pollingreport.com/iraq2.htm :lol:

billyrayjoebob does not need to give you a link to backup his claim. He already pointed out that the information that you are requesting is in the poll to which you linked.

 

Now isn't that odd.

 

Here you are stepping up to the plate, when you have made it abundantly clear that you have absolutely no use for polls (unless they are conducted by interviewing the leaders of the terrorist movement).

 

Sadly, even if I were inclined to accept your amazing conversion to those that believe in polls, the poll that you are trying to cite won't suffice. Billyrayjoebob has already told us: "That site you cite (ABC polls) is worthless to me..."

Since it is worthless to him, I'm sure he'll prefer to find a poll that has some worth. I'll just wait for his reply.

 

 

Frances

Now isn't that odd.

 

Here you are stepping up to the plate, when you have made it abundantly clear that you have absolutely no use for polls (unless they are conducted by interviewing the leaders of the terrorist movement).

 

Sadly, even if I were inclined to accept your amazing conversion to those that believe in polls, the poll that you are trying to cite won't suffice. Billyrayjoebob has already told us: "That site you cite (ABC polls) is worthless to me..."

Since it is worthless to him, I'm sure he'll prefer to find a poll that has some worth. I'll just wait for his reply.

 

 

Frances

 

It's worthless to me, but you're hanging your hat on it.:thumb:

Why can't you "eviscerate" his point without getting suspended. You're dodging his point because you know he is correct. Everyone knows who these guys would rather have in power. The Dems are conveniently dodging this issue.

 

Edit: OK I saw your answer. "I don't care which party the leaders of Islamic terrorism support in the upcoming elections." Exactly what I expected. And one of the reasons I cringe at the thought of Dems getting control of our government.

 

 

 

If your point is to draw the conclusion that a Democratic election is wanted by the Islamic terrorists, exactly what does that prove?

 

In 1980 the Iranians celebrated when Jimmy Carter was defeated by Ronald Reagan. Does that mean that the GOP and Reagan should have been ousted because the Iranian militants (future terrorists) like Reagan over Carter? :confused:

If your point is to draw the conclusion that a Democratic election is wanted by the Islamic terrorists, exactly what does that prove?

 

In 1980 the Iranians celebrated when Jimmy Carter was defeated by Ronald Reagan. Does that mean that the GOP and Reagan should have been ousted because the Iranian militants (future terrorists) like Reagan over Carter? :confused:

 

What? The Iranian militants didn't release the American hostages until they were certain Reagan had won. They feared him.

Now isn't that odd.

 

Here you are stepping up to the plate, when you have made it abundantly clear that you have absolutely no use for polls (unless they are conducted by interviewing the leaders of the terrorist movement).

 

Sadly, even if I were inclined to accept your amazing conversion to those that believe in polls, the poll that you are trying to cite won't suffice. Billyrayjoebob has already told us: "That site you cite (ABC polls) is worthless to me..."

Since it is worthless to him, I'm sure he'll prefer to find a poll that has some worth. I'll just wait for his reply.

 

 

Frances

:lol: The poll snapshot that I cited is the same one for which a link had already been posted.

 

I never said that I don't read poll results - I said that they do not influence my opinions. I carefully read the poll that you posted. It is quite revealing to pay attention to the exact wording of the questions and the sampling methodology used in various public opinion surveys. They often say more about the organizaton that commissioned the poll than the people who were polled.

 

My guess is that FDR and his advisors would have been alarmed if it had come to light in the midst of the 1942 campaign Mussolini, Hitler, and Emperor Hirohito all supported the Democrats' campaign efforts. The fact that many of the objectives of our current enemies (such as getting Americans out of Iraq sooner rather than later) match Democratic talking does not seem to bother left wing Democrats. I find the Murtha plan to redeploy the troops to Okinawa a bit troubling myself.

If your point is to draw the conclusion that a Democratic election is wanted by the Islamic terrorists, exactly what does that prove?

 

 

It proves they are keenly aware which party is a threat to their agenda (terrorism).

:lol: The poll snapshot that I cited is the same one for which a link had already been posted.

 

I never said that I don't read poll results - I said that they do not influence my opinions. I carefully read the poll that you posted. It is quite revealing to pay attention to the exact wording of the questions and the sampling methodology used in various public opinion surveys. They often say more about the organizaton that commissioned the poll than the people who were polled.

 

My guess is that FDR and his advisors would have been alarmed if it had come to light in the midst of the 1942 campaign Mussolini, Hitler, and Emperor Hirohito all supported the Democrats' campaign efforts. The fact that many of the objectives of our current enemies (such as getting Americans out of Iraq sooner rather than later) match Democratic talking does not seem to bother left wing Democrats. I find the Murtha plan to redeploy the troops to Okinawa a bit troubling myself.

 

I couldn't help but notice that you laugh a lot at your own posts. I just wish I saw the humor with you.

 

Not to belabor the point, but truth be told, I am not interested in what you were able to discern from the poll. You have told us time and again that you do not believe in the polls (other than those conducted in the Middle East, with terrorists as the polled), so I'm afraid that I cannot accept your reply.

 

I will just wait for the reply from billyrayjoebob.

 

 

Sorry,

Frances

It's worthless to me, but you're hanging your hat on it.:thumb:

Am I to take it that you have made a claim that you cannot back up? Can you not find a poll that substantiates your claim that "the Iraq situation has contributed to the long term security of the United States."?

 

I'll just wait patiently.

 

 

Frances

Why can't you "eviscerate" his point without getting suspended. You're dodging his point because you know he is correct. Everyone knows who these guys would rather have in power. The Dems are conveniently dodging this issue.

 

Edit: OK I saw your answer. "I don't care which party the leaders of Islamic terrorism support in the upcoming elections." Exactly what I expected. And one of the reasons I cringe at the thought of Dems getting control of our government.

 

brjb,

 

Look, regardless of what happens in Iraq or which U.S. political party is at the controls, Islamic extremists will claim victory. To say that if the Democrats win, the terrorists win is overly simplistic to the point of being laughable. Use a little logic here instead of just Rovian fearmongering emotion.

 

If George W. Bush has his way, and U.S. troops are mired in Iraq for the next FIFTY years, the Islamic extremists have a perfect recruiting tool to attract more people willing to join the jihad. They also gain prestige and financing in the Islamic world by pinning down and bleeding the mighty U.S. military in an asymmetric battle that makes our technological edge largely useless.

 

If U.S. forces are withdrawn substantially or completely from Iraq, the jihadists will claim that they defeated the U.S. and drove them out.

 

Either way, we are in a pickle of your boy, "Dubya's" making that the Islamic extremists can spin to their advantage and that has diminished U.S. leadership and influence around the world for decades to come.

 

We lost the day Bush decided to start a war in Iraq with Cheney and Rumsfeld running the show. These guys don't fundamentally understand the nature of the Middle East and think everything can be simplistically boiled down to good guys in white and bad guys in black like an old cowboy movie. George W. Bush committed us to failure when he issued the invasion order.

 

The only choice we have left is what form our failure will take:

 

1) Withdrawing our military forces from the sectarian inferno raging out of control in Iraq.

-or-

2) The continued squandering of our fine military by obstinate morons who never served a day in combat.

 

Just one man's opinion...

It proves they are keenly aware which party is a threat to their agenda (terrorism).

I guess that I can understand them seeing Bush as a threat to their agenda. Over the course of the last three or four years, he has managed to make their agenda a rallying point for every Muslim with a grudge. If this keeps up, someday, there won't be anyone left to convert.

 

 

Frances

I couldn't help but notice that you laugh a lot at your own posts. I just wish I saw the humor with you.

 

Not to belabor the point, but truth be told, I am not interested in what you were able to discern from the poll. You have told us time and again that you do not believe in the polls (other than those conducted in the Middle East, with terrorists as the polled), so I'm afraid that I cannot accept your reply.

 

I will just wait for the reply from billyrayjoebob.

 

 

Sorry,

Frances

Hey, there is nothing to apologize for - BTW, brjb already replied==>Apparently he also carefully read the poll that you posted. :lol:

...The only choice we have left is what form our failure will take:

 

1) Withdrawing our military forces from the sectarian inferno raging out of control in Iraq.

-or-

2) The continued squandering of our fine military by obstinate morons who never served a day in combat.

 

Just one man's opinion...

 

Leftist. Couldn't you just be a patriotic American that follows the teachings of W Almighty?

 

 

Frances

Am I to take it that you have made a claim that you cannot back up? Can you not find a poll that substantiates your claim that "the Iraq situation has contributed to the long term security of the United States."?

 

I'll just wait patiently.

 

 

Frances

 

I don't need to waste any time convincing you. A poll that you have great faith in is already telling you that. I'm honored that you think I am a more important source than your own polls you are touting though.:jump:

Hey, there is nothing to apologize for - BTW, brjb already replied==>Apparently he also carefully read the poll that you posted. :lol:

 

Sorry - I must have missed the joke again.

 

billyrayjoebob only posted a link to the poll that he decries as being worthless. I'm just waiting for him to give me a link to a poll that has value, and substantiates his claim.

 

 

Frances