I do not think there is one magic football offensive system out there. It is whatever the coach can effectively teach, what the players at that particular school can execute, and if the system has flexibility to cater to the talent on hand from year to year.

Malzhan took the Wing T and put it in the shotgun. Everyone thinks he runs a read zone. Gus is a gap scheme guys. NOW with Herb Hand as his OL coach, it may change I didn't pay attention to them much last year, but I remember him talking about when Herb Hand and Gus were at Tulsa both learned alot from each other from each others blocking schemes.

 

Asked Chip Kelly at a bar in Nashville Opryland Hotel what's the secret back in 2013 I believe. Anyway he talked to us for about 30 minutes and said learn the wing T and you will understand Oregon's blocking scheme. He took a call and I think it was from his agent telling him the Eagles deal. He came back and got his stuff and said he's catching a plane. Anyway, he dressed up the wing T from the shotgun.

 

There's alot of great Spread guys in this State. There's a lot of great Wing T guys in this state and there's a lot of great football coaches that use the veer (Phillip Haywood), who I think is the best football coach in the state of KY.

 

The veer offense is a great offense. It has definitely helped us win a few games!!!

I see WAY too many teams and coaches trying to run the spread when it does not fit their players and does not have sufficient answers to situational football such as short yardage, goal line, and 4-minute offense. I have nothing against spreading it out at times, but I am not in favor of doing it exclusively.

I like the style of play and the coach to be flexible enough to gauge his scheme around the personnel instead of forcing kids into a scheme that they can't thrive in. It is important to identity your strengths and go with them.

 

I think this approach is solid. Good coaches adapt and overcome with what the players provide!

Throw to score. Run to win. There is more than one way to skin a cat and more than one way to match up with that statement. Statistical study shows that people can be too conservative and limit their own explosive plays. Statistical study shows that some people can be too aggressive and limit their own efficiency. Simple math has shown that you either need to use your qb to add to the run game(option or zone read) or he needs to be an efficient passer. Get in hand-off mode and throw 3 times a game and you play 10 on 11.

I see WAY too many teams and coaches trying to run the spread when it does not fit their players and does not have sufficient answers to situational football such as short yardage, goal line, and 4-minute offense. I have nothing against spreading it out at times, but I am not in favor of doing it exclusively.

 

The same could be said for other offenses, I see teams that try to be physical smash mouth type teams with 32 personnel without kids over 170 pounds up front that don't have answers for 3rd and long, 2 minute offense etc.

 

My point is you have to have a good mix and a coach that knows how to adapt his offense. Sometimes you're just bad no matter what you run, very rarely does the fastest most physical team lose on the field regardless of what type of offense they run.

What matters is having a system and a game plan that puts your team in the best shape to win ball games. It doesn't matter what type of offense you run as long as your staff knows how to coach it correctly. I do believe that teams who run a downhill, smash mouth type offense involving TE and fullbacks give high school teams and coaches trouble because you simply don't line up against it. I have also seen teams who are high profile wanna score 60 a game go up against less talented running team and loose because time of possession. I also have seen smash mouth teams loose ball games because they get down 14 and cannot score quick enough to win the game. If your gonna play ball control smash mouth football you better play defense as well. If you wanna score don't worry about it and try to get 3 stops a game. Kids care about what offense they play in but not as much as their mommy and daddy in the stands. This is what has become the problem because its about my kids stats more than being part of a team that is bigger than the individual. If your son has the ability to play at the next level I will promise a good football coach will get the ball in their hands as many times as humanly possible without having to put a oxygen mask on him during time outs.

I would say teams in most areas of the state still see fullback and TE type personnel on most weeks. Even in college ball now most teams are circling back around and including fullbacks and TE's back into their "spread" offenses.

Malzhan took the Wing T and put it in the shotgun. Everyone thinks he runs a read zone. Gus is a gap scheme guys. NOW with Herb Hand as his OL coach, it may change I didn't pay attention to them much last year, but I remember him talking about when Herb Hand and Gus were at Tulsa both learned alot from each other from each others blocking schemes.

 

Asked Chip Kelly at a bar in Nashville Opryland Hotel what's the secret back in 2013 I believe. Anyway he talked to us for about 30 minutes and said learn the wing T and you will understand Oregon's blocking scheme. He took a call and I think it was from his agent telling him the Eagles deal. He came back and got his stuff and said he's catching a plane. Anyway, he dressed up the wing T from the shotgun.

 

There's alot of great Spread guys in this State. There's a lot of great Wing T guys in this state and there's a lot of great football coaches that use the veer (Phillip Haywood), who I think is the best football coach in the state of KY.

 

I have listened to Coach Haywood speak and I believe the reason he is the best coach in the state of ky has little to do with offensive genius and more to do with the caliber of man he is. A good man molding good kids. I plan on reading his book if I find time during DP.

 

With that being said, I know his style in veer and he said it will always be veer. If he had a Brett Favre would still run the veer, although he said he would imagine he would throw to his SE a little more.

 

I subscribe to this line of thinking, not only because I think highly of Coach Haywood, but also because you typically know the type of kids you will get, know what you can get out of them, and know what you can make out of them. Develop a "style" based on what you have the majority of the time and tweak it when you get that one stand out kid that comes along every 7-8 years that has the ability to do something special. Give him the freedom to make plays but with the scope of your scheme.

 

Good discussion going on here

I think any offense can be tweaked. I personally believe in high school you need to be run first most of the time. Spread, Wing T, Wishbone, etc. it's all the same in what you are trying to accomplish. If I have some stud backs and a some kids that can get off the ball I will run Power in the spread. If I am a Wing T or I guy and have those same kids then Power from those sets. Formations are just where you stand, not what you do. I think that gets lost in translation sometimes for a lot of people.

I have listened to Coach Haywood speak and I believe the reason he is the best coach in the state of ky has little to do with offensive genius and more to do with the caliber of man he is. A good man molding good kids. I plan on reading his book if I find time during DP.

 

With that being said, I know his style in veer and he said it will always be veer. If he had a Brett Favre would still run the veer, although he said he would imagine he would throw to his SE a little more.

 

I subscribe to this line of thinking, not only because I think highly of Coach Haywood, but also because you typically know the type of kids you will get, know what you can get out of them, and know what you can make out of them. Develop a "style" based on what you have the majority of the time and tweak it when you get that one stand out kid that comes along every 7-8 years that has the ability to do something special. Give him the freedom to make plays but with the scope of your scheme.

 

Good discussion going on here

 

I remember him running the spread in late 90's early 2000's cause he had a good QB. Then in Early 2000's to 2008ish he was a belly guy. Then ran the veer out of flexbone.

I think any offense can be tweaked. I personally believe in high school you need to be run first most of the time. Spread, Wing T, Wishbone, etc. it's all the same in what you are trying to accomplish. If I have some stud backs and a some kids that can get off the ball I will run Power in the spread. If I am a Wing T or I guy and have those same kids then Power from those sets. Formations are just where you stand, not what you do. I think that gets lost in translation sometimes for a lot of people.

 

 

Wurrrrrd up.

I remember him running the spread in late 90's early 2000's cause he had a good QB. Then in Early 2000's to 2008ish he was a belly guy. Then ran the veer out of flexbone.

 

Right you are.

Part of this style of play thing is parents and to some degree players. They see teams spread or sling it around and that's what they want to do. It takes a little less intestinal fortitude to run a pass route or stalk block than to stick your nose up in there on double wing super power. Now before some spread guy gets his visor all twisted really good spread teams' rec have plenty of intestinal fortitude. They are tough kids.

 

Every team should have a system. Think of it like a cook book. Each year you look through your ingredients to see what you have and what you can fix. Anyone that cooks knows there are times you can substitute out ingredients if you missing something (oil, eggs, applesauce, etc). Same thing with your system. When you whole sale change it sets everyone back and it shows you didn't have a system.

 

One reason for bad spread teams is coaching. Hate to say it but not everyone coaching takes it seriously nor do they have the same coaching talent. To run a spread you better have a minimum of 3 guys that REALLY know their stuff. That's harder than you think. In other systems you can hide inexperienced coaches. Some systems one coach can coach the whole offense. Not ideal but it can be done.

 

To the parents that feel like their boy is not getting that scholarship due to the system. If your son is that good 90% or more of the time he'll be found. Dan Marino was a wing-t QB. Oh a Brett Farve? He was a triple option QB in HS.

I remember him running the spread in late 90's early 2000's cause he had a good QB. Then in Early 2000's to 2008ish he was a belly guy. Then ran the veer out of flexbone.

 

I'm sure he has experience with other offenses. The point I'm trying to make, for public schools that cannot pull specific types of athletes toward it, is that you can generally estimate what type of players you will have and craft a style off of that.

 

For instance, a rural community finds an identity as a ground and pound, work for what you get kind of team. 8 years later, the suburbs creep in and the blue collar ideals may not seem as appealing. Then the spread it around attitude seems to fit.

 

And this is bordering on scheme not style, but you cannot date the option. You must marry the option. I've married the option. If I get a passer, he will run the option then pass the ball. After he graduates, we will still run option and wait for the next Tom Brady. I'll be waiting a while...