The difference is what the two different positions are asked to do. The role of the 6 technique defensive end is to hit the TE, shed his block, and pursue to that ball to make a tackle. His job is not necessarily to knock the TE back. The job of an offensive lineman in short yardage situations is to knock the defender back. Which I believe can best be accomplished while coming out of a 3 point stance. I am not saying that an offensive lineman should never be in a 2 point stance. I just think coaches that have their offensive linemen in 2 point stances regardless of the situation are not wise. In obvious run situations, get your hand in the dirt, come off of the ball, and knock the defense back!

False. On 3rd and 1 they are both trying to win the pad level battle, win the gap, and move the LOS.

I think its laziness in doing what has been done. I think its easier for the average coach to get a kids hips down and pad level low. Just because something is easier doesn't make it better. In the grand scheme of things 3rd and 1 and goaline is a fake way to argue style because the evil "spread teams" that win usually have the line in a 3 point stance in those situations if they are running the football inside.

By you logic, I guess NFL coaches are idiots. I don't see many of them in 2 point stances in short yardage and goalline. In fact, I don't see many of them in shotgun in those situations. In my mind, there will always be a place in football for the QB to be under center, a FB, and multiple TE's. Not necessarily every snap, but there is a time and place for it. In fact, I just read an article on ESPN.com where Louisville is focusing on under center offense during the spring with Lamar Jackson.

By you logic, I guess NFL coaches are idiots. I don't see many of them in 2 point stances in short yardage and goalline. In fact, I don't see many of them in shotgun in those situations. In my mind, there will always be a place in football for the QB to be under center, a FB, and multiple TE's. Not necessarily every snap, but there is a time and place for it. In fact, I just read an article on ESPN.com where Louisville is focusing on under center offense during the spring with Lamar Jackson.

 

Yeah, I know, and you think Belichick is an idiot when Brady is in empty on 3rd and 1 and throws a slant for a first down.

Yeah, I know, and you think Belichick is an idiot when Brady is in empty on 3rd and 1 and throws a slant for a first down.

 

Yes, the Patriots do get in Empty from time to time in short yardage. And they are often successful with it. My point in all of this discussion is that teams that ONLY align in spread formations and ONLY have their linemen in 2 point stances are not sound. I just think well-rounded offenses need to have the capability to get under center at times, employ a FB and multiple TE's, get in 3 point stances, and run downhill on occasion. I also think well-rounded offenses need to have the capability to spread it out, get in shotgun and 2 point stances, and be productive in the passing game and spread runs. I think the ALL or NONE issue is what plagues many high school offenses. I mean, the best high school offense in Kentucky for the past 15 years is Trinity. They do all of this stuff when they need it. Their offense is much more situationally productive now than it was 15 years ago when they were all spread. Just like they are more productive offensively than they were 25 years ago when they were never spread.

Yes, the Patriots do get in Empty from time to time in short yardage. And they are often successful with it. My point in all of this discussion is that teams that ONLY align in spread formations and ONLY have their linemen in 2 point stances are not sound. I just think well-rounded offenses need to have the capability to get under center at times, employ a FB and multiple TE's, get in 3 point stances, and run downhill on occasion. I also think well-rounded offenses need to have the capability to spread it out, get in shotgun and 2 point stances, and be productive in the passing game and spread runs. I think the ALL or NONE issue is what plagues many high school offenses. I mean, the best high school offense in Kentucky for the past 15 years is Trinity. They do all of this stuff when they need it. Their offense is much more situationally productive now than it was 15 years ago when they were all spread. Just like they are more productive offensively than they were 25 years ago when they were never spread.

 

Like I said earlier this team you hate is imaginary. Name 1 team and we will ask their fans if they do what you say.

Like I said earlier this team you hate is imaginary. Name 1 team and we will ask their fans if they do what you say.

St. X has not had a lineman in a 3 point stance in more than 2 years. Their goal line and short yardage run game sucks.

St. X has not had a lineman in a 3 point stance in more than 2 years. Their goal line and short yardage run game sucks.

 

Yeah, I know about your hatred of X. One of the most physical programs in the state of Kentucky. Lets ask their fans if they only get in spread formations.

Yeah, I know about your hatred of X. One of the most physical programs in the state of Kentucky. Lets ask their fans if they only get in spread formations.

Go ahead and ask their fans. They have not been under center, in a 3 point stance, or employed a TE in 2 years. FACT.

Yeah, I know about your hatred of X. One of the most physical programs in the state of Kentucky. Lets ask their fans if they only get in spread formations.

They used to be one of the most physical teams in the state on offense. Now not so much.

Go ahead and ask their fans. They have not been under center, in a 3 point stance, or employed a TE in 2 years. FACT.

 

They have a 240 pound running back and a 260 pound fullback on the field 90% of the time. FACT. I don't know who your team is or what they did to you but they are probably going to keep doing it, because they are physically imposing their will on all but 2 teams in the state. The entire offense is power and counter and plays to protect power and counter. FACT. We have been over this. You should probably argue with someone else.

They have a 240 pound running back and a 260 pound fullback on the field 90% of the time. FACT. I don't know who your team is or what they did to you but they are probably going to keep doing it, because they are physically imposing their will on all but 2 teams in the state. The entire offense is power and counter and plays to protect power and counter. FACT. We have been over this. You should probably argue with someone else.

 

You hit the nail on the head there! From what I have seen of their offense the last few years that's all it is.