1995 State of the Union.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y7AXizmhgi0

 

How is 2017 different than 1995?

Nice catch. The quote I posted above wasn't a Trump quote. It was taken almost word for word from Bill Clinton's 1995 SOTU address.

What's the first word of " illegal immigration". Nuff said

Nice catch. The quote I posted above wasn't a Trump quote. It was taken almost word for word from Bill Clinton's 1995 SOTU address.

 

I stumbled onto this in another forum. Did not realize that it is where the quote in your original came from.

 

The point was going for is what is considered unusual about 'Trumps stance'? Its a simple stance - control the borders, enforce immigration laws. Every country in the world, with the exception of the US, makes this a national priority. Uncontrolled, unlimited illegal 'immigration' is not sustainable for a country.

 

That said, there needs to be resolution to the blind eye and even encourangement of illegal entry over past years and decades. Deporting every technically illegal alien is not practicle or even desirable given the extent. So while the border is being secured ('the wall') and while sanctuary cities are being eliminated a plan for citizenship for the long term illegals who are and have been domiciled in the US for extended periods is needed. Yes, another round of...amnesty. You just can not have people institutionally living in the shadows in a society.

illegal immigration

It's ILLEGAL so yes I agree

How do they pay income taxes if they have no Social Security number? I'm not being smart, I seriously don't know. Unless they or their employer are using fictitious IDs, I don't see them paying income taxes.

 

I'm sure a few pay property taxes, but again it's hard to imagine being able to get a mortgage without being in the country legally. Government may be lax, but banks are notoriously not lax in verifying who they are loaning to. Some may pay property taxes, but I'd say it's a miniscule amount compared to what is collected.

 

Sales tax is by far the number one place we get money back from illegal immigrants. I'd guess that's where the bulk of the Billions paid comes from.

 

I cannot answer your question as to the "how."

 

How much do undocumented immigrants pay in taxes? | PunditFact

I would expect that the new administration's stance on immigration will enforce immigration, naturalization requirements that are already in place. Along with the usual discussion points - border control, sactuary cities and aggressive detainment and deportation of dangerous criminals - there are other elements that drive the influx of illegal entry by foreign citizens.

 

- Government assistence. Automatic access to benefits must be curtailed and controlled. An illegal should not have access to government provided benefits for just 'being here'.

 

- Addressing the apparently currently accepted norm of birthright citizenship. Illegal entry, and even legal entry, for the purpose of 'getting a child US citizenship' is wrong. Almost no other nation recognizes simple place of birth as a path to citizenship (Canada is the only other 'developed' nation that recogizes jus soli for citizenship). This applies not just to illegals from Mexico and Central and South America - but also the practice of 'birthright tourism' from other countries like China.

 

Birthright citizenship must be addressed. Simple jus soli qualification for citizenship is very problematic and creates serious ongoing issues. Mainly, that a child is a citizen of the US but their parents are not. Many foreigners use this for purposes of rationalizing their illegal presence - either through lack of understanding that citizenship never flows 'up' or just by design and intent to create a grey area.

 

Reference:

 

Nations Granting Birthright Citizenship | NumbersUSA

 

Note that in the above link only two 'developed' countries recognize birthright citizenship - the US and Canada. No other 'developed' nation does so. Only through the terrible mis-used 14th Amendment can one say its legal. Even though it has always been clear that the intent and design of the 14th was to address issue of freed slaves not being given full citizenship rights by the former Confederate states.

I am all for immigration.

I am completely against illegal immigration.

 

Right, wrong, or indifferent, Pres Trump is the first president who is actually going to address the issue. If previous administrations had, there would not be so many illegal immigrants born into the USA, which in my opinion, is the bigger issue.

I think the biggest challenge is believing that plenty of manufacturing jobs for unskilled labor are going to come back. Some will but they will be low-paying. You can't be unskilled AND expect a job like our grandfathers had in the 50s/60s before automation.

 

I struggle to be sympathetic to those that blame others for their lack of education/lack of training/lack of ambition/lack of initiative. It puts us in a bind as we can't just leave them on the side of the road nor punish their children.

 

Immigrants could teach us a few lessons.

 

Pretty much nails it for me. I'd like to see an expedited path to citizenship for non-criminals. Deport the criminals.

 

All-in-all, it's a very low priority for me. Definitely not something that justifies a very expensive wall...