Before the door even opened he had his hand on his weapon. He was shooting before he ever he saw the dog.

 

 

You saw the dog running and lunging. How do you know the dog was just being friendly?

And there is the biggest problem we have with police and excessive force Today...

 

This has nothing to do with excessive force.

This has nothing to do with excessive force.

 

It absolutely does. There was zero reason to shoot the dog.

It absolutely does. There was zero reason to shoot the dog.

 

You still haven't answered the question I asked.

 

How do you know the dog was being friendly and not going to bite the officer when it lunged?

You saw the dog running and lunging. How do you know the dog was just being friendly?

 

Because that's how 99% of dogs react in those situations and in almost every instance there is no malicious intent. Shooting should never be the first option when dealing with dogs. There are so many other better options, even if dealing with aggressive dogs.

You still haven't answered the question I asked.

 

How do you know the dog was being friendly and not going to bite the officer when it lunged?

 

Yes I have.

 

Common sense.

This has nothing to do with excessive force.

 

What? :lol2:

"Shoot first, ask questions later."

Because that's how 99% of dogs react in those situations and in almost every instance there is no malicious intent. Shooting should never be the first option when dealing with dogs. There are so many other better options, even if dealing with aggressive dogs.

 

Let's use the part of the argument that says that you wait because most of the time it's not a problem.

 

Should an officer not shoot a person who has been instructed to put their hands up but brings his hands to his waist? How many times have we seen cases where the officer did shoot despite there ultimately being no weapon? Are you saying the officer was not justified?

Let's use the part of the argument that says that you wait because most of the time it's not a problem.

 

Should an officer not shoot a person who has been instructed to put their hands up but brings his hands to his waist? How many times have we seen cases where the officer did shoot despite their ultimately being no weapon? Are you saying the officer was not justified?

 

Not even remotely in the same realm.

Not even remotely in the same realm.

 

It is if your justification is that in the end the officer PROBABLY wasn't going to be hurt. Absolutely the same.

It is if your justification is that in the end the officer PROBABLY wasn't going to be hurt. Absolutely the same.

 

No it's not even close. I said "when dealing with dogs". Go back and actually read what I posted.

Let's say I have a German Shepard (which I don't). Your walking up my sidewalk and you can hear him going crazy in side barking, you can even see him in the window looking mean as anything. The door opens and you see him come charging out. Even if I know he is gentle as can be and would do nothing but be your best friend, as far as you know this is Cujo coming towards you. You waiting until he's chewing on your butt before you react?

 

To answer your question, I don't let me dog get out in that situation. It happened once years ago to a pizza delivery guy. When max came running out the guys eyes were huge. Max didn't do anything but beg to be petted but I could tell it scared the guy and it scared me as well. Since then I always make sure I have control of him before I open the door.

 

If you, the owner, lets him run around like that, I'm going to assume he is friendly. That's just me though. I've been to many a door step when I got run up on by their dog and wasn't worried that I was being attacked.

 

You still didn't answer my question. I said if he got out on accident.

 

My fear of dogs has been documented on here before. It's irrational and my reaction when a large dog comes at me tends to be embarrassing. I go into total panic mode. We got into the same argument here because I did pepper spray a dog that ran at me while I was walking on a sidewalk. The dog owner in that situation was very angry that I sprayed his dog and even told me that if I hadn't been walking on a public sidewalk in front of his house so fast the dog would have left me alone. The dog defenders on here advised that I should have just stood still and the dog would have calmed down. I didn't see it that way, I saw an animal attacking me and there was no way I would have waited to be bitten to take action. I haven't watched the video but if the dog came at the officer and the officer felt threatened then I see the officer being justified.

No it's not even close. I said "when dealing with dogs". Go back and actually read what I posted.

 

Why does it matter ? Officers have to have the right to protect themselves from either humans or animals.

Should an officer not shoot a person who has been instructed to put their hands up but brings his hands to his waist? How many times have we seen cases where the officer did shoot despite there ultimately being no weapon? Are you saying the officer was not justified?

 

What is more likely to kill an officer: A dog running out someone's front door, or a guy with his hands in his waistband?