What does the rulebook say regarding a ball that moves after being set for a kick? Do you have to kick it from where it stops?

IMO the "screaming appeal and bunch of complaining from both teams." The escalated issues that cause problems are mainly due to the referee loosing control and/or being inconsistent.

 

Ask any professional in any sport, baseball players want the strike zone to be the same size/location in the first inning and 9th inning. DBs wants pass interference called the same in the first qt and the 4th qt.

If the center ref, home plate umpire, back judge is having a good game you rarely see issues escalate and the game goes along uneventful, referee wise.

That is placing the ball though. I think we are talking about situations where the players are done with the fancy spin, checking the wind, and digging out the rut in the turf.

 

After all that and while the wall is being placed then they move the ball again.

 

OK...A specific example......player hasn't touched the ball. Ref shows him the whistle and starts walking off the wall......player picks up the ball and fluffs the turf with his hand to remove some of the loose fillings (the black stuff) from under the ball. Doesn't take a step forwards or backwards, doesn't even stand straight up....just picks the ball up about 12 inches, fluffs the ground with the palm of his hand, and then puts the ball back. Yellow.

 

If playing golf, then a two stroke penalty for not marking the ball on the green.....

IMO the "screaming appeal and bunch of complaining from both teams." The escalated issues that cause problems are mainly due to the referee loosing control and/or being inconsistent.

 

Ask any professional in any sport, baseball players want the strike zone to be the same size/location in the first inning and 9th inning. DBs wants pass interference called the same in the first qt and the 4th qt.

If the center ref, home plate umpire, back judge is having a good game you rarely see issues escalate and the game goes along uneventful, referee wise.

In the pros maybe but these are high school kids and in the last minutes of possibly their last game ever something that wasn't a foul earlier may be a little more nasty to them at that point.

IMO the "screaming appeal and bunch of complaining from both teams." The escalated issues that cause problems are mainly due to the referee loosing control and/or being inconsistent.

 

Ask any professional in any sport, baseball players want the strike zone to be the same size/location in the first inning and 9th inning. DBs wants pass interference called the same in the first qt and the 4th qt.

If the center ref, home plate umpire, back judge is having a good game you rarely see issues escalate and the game goes along uneventful, referee wise.

 

 

Excellent point....and called the same no matter what the score is.

OK...A specific example......player hasn't touched the ball. Ref shows him the whistle and starts walking off the wall......player picks up the ball and fluffs the turf with his hand to remove some of the loose fillings (the black stuff) from under the ball. Doesn't take a step forwards or backwards, doesn't even stand straight up....just picks the ball up about 12 inches, fluffs the ground with the palm of his hand, and then puts the ball back. Yellow.

 

If playing golf, then a two stroke penalty for not marking the ball on the green.....

 

 

You are comparing apples and oranges. We are talking about a play where the ref has said don't move the ball, and is it where you want it? The ref in your example didn't do that.

 

In your example I would agree that is harsh. If the player said yes it so where I want it and the ref said ok don't move it, then the player moves it, what do you want to happen?

As one who has called a foul in basketball right before the game was ending let me tell you that those who say they want it called the same the entire game are not telling the truth.

What does the rulebook say regarding a ball that moves after being set for a kick? Do you have to kick it from where it stops?

 

 

What? No of course not. The kick is taken from the spot of the foul. The spot that is chosen is usually decided by the players if this within reason.

As one who has called a foul in basketball right before the game was ending let me tell you that those who say they want it called the same the entire game are not telling the truth.

Agreed!

What? No of course not. The kick is taken from the spot of the foul. The spot that is chosen is usually decided by the players if this within reason.

 

So the official sees the ball has moved. Does he have to blow the whistle to signal "timeout" so the player can re-set? If I read the post correctly the ball moved , kid re-set, and was called for a hand ball.

Eh I get what you're saying butbwhatvifbthe players start to lose their cool and stuff that was just hard play earlier is now a screaming appeal and bunch of complaining from both teams. This can escalate and cause problems

 

exactly, which is why refs use the term "game management". Most if not all would like the players to figure it out and in high level club team games they frankly do, for the most part. However; in high school play with such a discrepancy in the level of technical skill and soccer IQ, if play is not "tightened" for game management reasons it can get very ugly and become a safety issue very quickly. Thus one reason why calls are seemingly changed by the CR during a match, inconsistent across games or across CRs.

You are comparing apples and oranges. We are talking about a play where the ref has said don't move the ball, and is it where you want it? The ref in your example didn't do that.

 

In your example I would agree that is harsh. If the player said yes it so where I want it and the ref said ok don't move it, then the player moves it, what do you want to happen?

 

Didn't catch that point, not sure it was made......if that was the case, I would say doing anything that the ref specifically tells you not to is subject to the card......but just showing a whistle doesn't assume it was said, or known......

Didn't catch that point, not sure it was made......if that was the case, I would say doing anything that the ref specifically tells you not to is subject to the card......but just showing a whistle doesn't assume it was said, or known......

Fair enough. The point was made quite a few posts before so easily missed.

Correct. At least in my understanding. Which is why I speculated that the card was really for "moving" the ball. Again what I have been told is this is to prevent players from moving the ball forward once it is set or left or right to get a better angle. Not to put it back. I guess the only thing I can say is maybe ask next time before even resetting it. Just avoids any confusion.

 

Seems excessive but sometimes it's better to be safe than sorry.

 

I know nothing (if that wasn't obvious from my previous question) about soccer rules. So I called a soccer official.

 

Someone asked about "handling." You cannot have a handling infraction during a dead ball. (Also there is no such thing as "handball" - it's the soccer version of "over the back")

 

Center should ask the player if the ball is set to his satisfaction and then set the line. Kid should ask to re-set if the ball moves. What if he doesn't? There's technical answer - violation and a game management answer - allow him to reset if you think he's not trying to gain an advantage.

Funny thing. I was talking in general to this official and he said "there would have to be a really strong wind for the ball to move..." As I was interrupting him to tell him where the game was he was saying "....unless it's at Cooper."