You don't have a dog in the fight ... but you are willing to go on record on an internet message board with some pretty serious allegations ... to each his own I guess.

 

More texture:

 

*The plan that the Soccer team SUBMITTED stated that they would not use school facilities for the trial period."

 

Would this program have been approved had they demanded fair and equal usage of school facilities? Probably not.

 

*You are right ... because there were only 3 (yes THREE) kids who checked off as interested on the official KHSAA survey (from there .. some very good people were slandered ... and had their character questioned .. ) .. from there .. high level players tried to manipulate the results .. and bypass KHSAA direction. Again ... 100% fact.

 

But when the group pushing this says .. we won't use school facilities/resources for 3 years ... then people come on a message board and try to act like football and other sports are preventing the soccer team from using the facilities ... it is .. first and foremost not true .. and 2nd .. it intentionally slanders a ton of people.

 

Don't come to the table with a proposal .. .then when you get your way ... try to go back on it ... and try to force people to renegotiate the deal you originally ask for.

 

 

*Football constantly comes up with this topic ... but I always find it very interesting when I read this thread and people try to act like football was worried about losing kids. NOT TRUE"

 

Football coaches and a couple players didn't show up at the meeting where soccer was approved (or other meetings) and speak against approval?

 

There were 3 football coaches who made appearances at a few of the meetings. There were FORMER players who attended ONE MEETING .. who didn't participate in the conversation at all.

 

Going further .. the football coach NEVER mentioned being worried about losing kids. NEVER. I will tell you straight up ... I did .. because we had a brand new program that was just getting started (and had immediate success on the Varsity/Reserve/Middle School Level). I take full responsibility for that ... but at the end of the day .. I have a responsibility to protect the program that I am responsible for. They deserve to be fought for just as much as the kids who wanted soccer.

 

There were soccer kids there ... and let me tell you why ... because I pulled one of them aside and told him that he should get some of his friends to show up .. so people could see that they were interested.

 

From there .. were no football coaches/cross country coaches at the last few meetings .. we accepted the fact that it was going to happen .. even though a certain group of "supporters" did some very questionable things to find a way to have an "emergency" school board meeting ... which wasn't openly communicated to the public in the manner that it should have been.

 

I won't address the rest of this rather lengthy post because I'm not intimately involved in this issue but on the two items above, I believe my info is accurate.

 

It seems clear that the "interest" in soccer is there on both the boys and girls side. I find the comments about "sharing" kids/players a little odd. Sharing them? Aren't they allowed to play whatever sport they want?

 

If a coach doesn't want to share kids IN SEASON .. that his their choice. If a coach wants to .. and there are kids that want to .. we have ALWAYS found a way to make it work. (Which we ended up doing ... but let me tell you .. it is not an ideal situation at ALL .. but it basically has to be done now .. because we have too many sports and not enough kids .. that is a trainwreck ready to happen).

 

There may be interest ... but let me tell you this ... the interest was not captured per KHSAA guidelines ... and the interest was falsely communicated. As I said yesterday ... there were MANY kids whose names were on the parent driven list .. who had never even spoken to anyone about soccer. Like I said ... forgery isn't that big of a crime I guess ...

 

Bringing up the Girls team ... where their leadership has and continues to work tirelessly to get the respect that they deserve. Do you realize that they were not even allowed to have a 2 week "interest" camp until they fundraised 10,000? A lot of people were rubbed the wrong way with that one ... because a certain few higher ups and personal friends of those higher ups manipulated things behind the scenes ... funny how they aren't around anymore ... ).

 

At the end of the day ... a lot of really good people and approximately 200 other athletes/band members/cheerleaders have moved forward ... after they were treated like 3rd class humanoids ... but thats okay I guess .. as long as a few others get their way .. all is good with the world.

 

I will leave you with this ... there are more than a few people (high up) who ... lets just say are not involved at Beechwood anymore ... one of those people made this direct statement to me after the first Site Based meeting I went to:

 

"Don't worry ... this isn't ever going to happen because we do not have the facilities or resources to do it"

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"Don't worry ... this isn't ever going to happen because we do not have the facilities or resources to do it"

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Doesn't the implication behind this statement say all that needs to be said? Why would any other sport need to "worry" if a new sport was forming. Why should they care or be involved at all, it is none of their business to fight their own school from having more opportunities for their students.

 

Or am I taking this out of context?

I just don't buy the facilities argument. Schools like NCC field top quality teams in both boys and girls and Beechwood probably has better facilities. Where there's a will, there's a way.

 

If the demand for soccer is not there at Beechwood why would they have so many kids playing? I guess I don't follow what you are so upset about. On one hand you seem to say that there was some false level of interest expressed by people forging names or something but now it comes out that they have a bunch of kids who actually wanted to play.

They don't have that many kids playing! I counted 14 yesterday ... from there .. it looked like there were 3-4 kids who I "heard were playing".

 

The facility situation is horrendous. For instance ... Monday Night on the field:

Varsity Football

Middle School Football

Freshman Football

Cross Country

Girls Volleyball (on the track for conditioning)

 

Do you realize that a new gym is being built on the current soccer field?

Do you realize that there are 3 football teams that would not have a place to practice if the field was further utilized?

Do you realize that there is a National Championship band with 110+ kids who already wait until late to practice after the football team?

That doesn't even go into the games.

 

They have kids who want to play .. but they don't have 60 .. they don't have 40 .. .. it may be 20 .. for 3 teams (and only 8th grade and up can play against high school kids).

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They don't have that many kids playing! I counted 14 yesterday ... from there .. it looked like there were 3-4 kids who I "heard were playing".

 

The facility situation is horrendous.

 

Do you realize that a new gym is being built on the current soccer field?

Do you realize that there are 3 football teams that would not have a place to practice if the field was further utilized?

Do you realize that there is a National Championship band with 110+ kids who already wait until late to practice after the football team?

That doesn't even go into the games.

 

They have kids who want to play .. but they don't have 60 .. they don't have 40 .. .. it may be 20 .. for 3 teams (and only 8th grade and up can play against high school kids).

 

What current soccer field are you talking about? I've heard they have a varsity and a JV team so is there a freshman team too? Again, schools like Dixie have boys and girls soccer, a band, football, cross country, etc and they seem to make it work without all the whining and bellyaching going on at Beechwood. I see Dixie's band practicing in the parking lot all the time.

 

And since you seem to be in the know.........how many kids play tennis at Beechwood? They have a couple brand new tennis courts don't they? Must be hundreds.....

Will the baseball outfield now be the practice field when the football field is in use?

"Don't worry ... this isn't ever going to happen because we do not have the facilities or resources to do it"

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Doesn't the implication behind this statement say all that needs to be said? Why would any other sport need to "worry" if a new sport was forming. Why should they care or be involved at all, it is none of their business to fight their own school from having more opportunities for their students.

 

Or am I taking this out of context?

 

I think I did a bad job stating that point ...

 

The person who made that statement to me ... was a higher up-type person who --(who blatantly misled many people) was actually one of the driving forces to ensure that soccer happened .. even thought there was a ton of factual data that spoke to the contrary. And again ... a lot of those people are not around anymore ... I wonder why?

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What current soccer field are you talking about? I've heard they have a varsity and a JV team so is there a freshman team too? Again, schools like Dixie have boys and girls soccer, a band, football, cross country, etc and they seem to make it work without all the whining and bellyaching going on at Beechwood. I see Dixie's band practicing in the parking lot all the time.

 

And since you seem to be in the know.........how many kids play tennis at Beechwood? They have a couple brand new tennis courts don't they? Must be hundreds.....

 

The baseball outfield doubles as the girls soccer field.

 

No offense or anything ... but are you really going to compare facilities at Dixie to Beechwood? Not sure that helps your argument at all. I will speak to the band though .. there are times when the band is in the parking lot .. which is in horrible shape since the start of the new gym (there used to be teacher parking back there before construction now .. that has been pushed to the main parking area and Krogers .. both of which are a trainwreck).

 

From there ... you have a minimum of 3 teams on the field in the fall ... and more in the spring .. and one to two using the track. (Again .. that does not speak to games at all).

 

Not to mention .. when there is a game .. they lose the parking lot and the field.

 

No clue how many tennis players there are .. no clue how that pertains to this discussion ... but I can tell you that we share the track with them at times when they are conditioning ...

 

If you have ideas how to make all of that work ... bring them to the table. We are certainly listening. Let me be honest though ... your approach sounds like it comes from a person who is not willing to consider the fact that the football team/cross country/girls soccer/band/cheerleading may be the ones who are telling the truth.

 

And as I said before .. the SOCCER TEAM is the group said that they would not use school facilities for their 3 year trial period. (which helped me get over it ... because all construction would be done by then). Then they want to come back and change the terms of their proposal.

 

And by the way ... the BOYS SOCCER team is ALREADY using school facilities!!!! So that slanderous garbage needs to stop ASAP.

 

Speaking about the field ... anyone who knows anything about Beechwood also realizes that the field has some drainage issues that are going to be corrected early in the coming year. That would be a great time to look at the situation again ... even thought it will impact 200 kids in an already bad situation.

 

Whining and bellyaching? Feel free to come over tonight .. I will give you a tour.

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Will the baseball outfield now be the practice field when the football field is in use?

 

When the field is in use for what?

Not sure I understand what you mean?

I'm still not buying the argument for facilities issues and space. Does brossart have any facilities on site? How do they manage to have almost every major sport then?

 

Saying they only have 14 kids playing on their second year doesn't really prove anything either. How many kids do you think generally come out for a sport at a school that has never had the sport in its first few years? Not many I would hazard to say.

 

As someone said, where there is a will there is a way.

They don't have that many kids playing! I counted 14 yesterday ... from there .. it looked like there were 3-4 kids who I "heard were playing".

 

The facility situation is horrendous. For instance ... Monday Night on the field:

Varsity Football

Middle School Football

Freshman Football

Cross Country

Girls Volleyball (on the track for conditioning)

 

Do you realize that a new gym is being built on the current soccer field?

Do you realize that there are 3 football teams that would not have a place to practice if the field was further utilized?

Do you realize that there is a National Championship band with 110+ kids who already wait until late to practice after the football team?

That doesn't even go into the games.

 

They have kids who want to play .. but they don't have 60 .. they don't have 40 .. .. it may be 20 .. for 3 teams (and only 8th grade and up can play against high school kids).

 

This is a bunch of bs. SO many schools deal with the same thing every single year, and have been dealing with trying to fit many programs at one place for many years. And they all find a way to make it work. Is it ideal? Of course not. It requires sacrificing and working together, whether that means concessions in practice time or sharing the field, etc. But it can be done as it is done at many high schools each and every year. This really does just sound like a bunch of whining.

 

Not sure if there is an additional rule in NKY, but per KHSAA rules 7th graders can also play freshman and JV high school soccer, not just 8th graders.

I'm still not buying the argument for facilities issues and space. Does brossart have any facilities on site? How do they manage to have almost every major sport then?

 

Saying they only have 14 kids playing on their second year doesn't really prove anything either. How many kids do you think generally come out for a sport at a school that has never had the sport in its first few years? Not many I would hazard to say.

 

As someone said, where there is a will there is a way.

 

I know .. I know ... lets continue to try to nail a square peg in a round hole.

 

As long as the soccer team gets their way ... everyone else is just making excuses.

 

Until you actually come to Beechwood and see what goes on in regard to facilities .. or lack there of ... it is extremely hard to find you credible. I said before--if you have any ideas on how things can work ... I am all ears. (Pretty funny that you again refuse to recognize that the soccer program submitted a proposal that said they would be off school grounds for 3 years).

 

They got what they wanted ... but now ... screw everyone else. They got what they wanted and now they want to change the rules. I find it absolutely amazing that, instead of sticking to the plan that THEY WANTED, it is time for a full court press that includes slandering other coaches, players and programs (and YES .. that happens daily--and it is the only reason why I am tired of keeping quiet).

 

Instead of trying to build relationships ... it is apparently easier to come down on the field when other teams have time scheduled ... and then wonder why programs take issue with how things are done.

 

I will leave you with this to address your last point .. besides boys soccer ... 4 other sports at Beechwood have been added in the past 5 years I can't speak specifically to archery (but I am very confident saying that they have had well over 50 kids since inception) but I can speak to the other 3:

 

Boys Track 2010: 54 Boys (Top 10 Outdoor state/4th indoor state 9 boys 1st/2nd/HM all state)

Boys Track 2011: 65 Boys (Top 10 Outdoor state/2nd indoor state 13 boys 1st/2nd/HM all state, Middle school state champion in 1600)

 

Cross Country (Girls/Boys)

2013

Girls: 25 (Earned state qualifier--4th place in the toughest region in Class A, 1 First team all state runner, 4 All NKY Runners plus numerous other honors)

Boys: 22 (1 state qualifier, Shared football player 1st team all state, 3 middle school boys first team all state)

 

2014

Girls: 24 (5th place in Class A State championship, 2nd place team in toughest Class a Region in the state, numerous team wins high school and middle school)

Boys: 27 (6th out of 13th--after not having enough high school boys for the 2013 regional, Boys middle school 2nd in toughest region in the state, 1 HM all state, 3 middle school boys all state, best NKY finish in middle school state championship)

 

(*Not to mention ... the numbers are up again this year for the boys ... )

 

Keep in mind--those sports had to follow a much more rigorous process to become "programs" at Beechwood. There were no falsified numbers. There were no parents in the hallways righting down names of kids they had never spoken to. The eventual head coach for the above programs was not permitted in interest meetings. There were certain higher ups who tried to derail cross country--because they were already feeding the soccer contingent the line that boys soccer would be added in 2014. And when you think about the fact that there were 40 kids interested in cross country via the KHSAA interest survey versus the 3 kids listed for soccer ... please continue to tell me that "where there is a will ... there is a way". I guess that is right ... if you are talking about inside deals and intentionally providing inaccurate numbers miss stating interest.

 

I would say that pretty much blows your argument out of the water.

 

I am not even going into the part where the soccer parents got to appoint the coach that they wanted ... when other coaches had to basically fight for their lives to get jobs that they were way overqualified for.

 

Boys soccer has gotten their opportunity ... and my thought is ... if they can make it work within the proposal they submitted ... very cool .. no issues from me ... then look at things again and see how everything works with facilities.

 

That is exactly what Boys Track did and Girls/Boys Cross Country. And when you talk about facilities--let me tell you ... we made it work-

 

But I refuse to sit back and watch people play the poor pitiful me act that they boys soccer team is not being treated fairly by Beechwood, by the Beechwood Football team or any other person who isn't a diehard soccer supporter. Maybe spend some time trying to build relationships with other teams and sports--instead of flipping their nose in the air ... complaining about not being treated fairly.

This is a bunch of bs. SO many schools deal with the same thing every single year, and have been dealing with trying to fit many programs at one place for many years. And they all find a way to make it work. Is it ideal? Of course not. It requires sacrificing and working together, whether that means concessions in practice time or sharing the field, etc. But it can be done as it is done at many high schools each and every year. This really does just sound like a bunch of whining.

 

Not sure if there is an additional rule in NKY, but per KHSAA rules 7th graders can also play freshman and JV high school soccer, not just 8th graders.

 

I know .... I know .. BS.

The proposal submitted from Boys Soccer requested 3 years .. not using school facilities ... but that is BS.

Again ... I am listening ... please share your ideas on how things can work.

 

As far as the 7th grade/8th grade playing against high school kids in soccer and football ... that 2015-2016 rule book should be out any day now!!!

Ok. First off I have been to Beechwood, I know what the facilities are, even played on them in other sports. I realize you don't have the space for expansion that some schools do.

 

Here is the real question, would the soccer program have been aloud to exist without agreeing to no home games for three years. I agree that they signed the deal but under what conditions.

 

Also, no one is saying Beechwood should tear up their whole facility for soccer, only that when the turf is redone that it should be made multisport and include soccer. Now if the field was already redone within the last 4 years and they didn't do this, they blatantly ignored that they did have a girls soccer program.

 

So if they build a purely football field then what? "Well we know you agreed to not have home games for three years but we didn't put soccer lines on the field so your no homes games deal has been extended to 10 years because that is when we will be redoing the turf again"

 

As far as parents "forging" names for the soccer team, I would think a lot of parents sign there kids up for stuff. Kids are lazy and a lot of them expect their parents to do that sort of thing for them. Not saying that happened here but come on its not like they wrote down the names of dead voters, this isn't a presidential election.

Ok. First off I have been to Beechwood, I know what the facilities are, even played on them in other sports. I realize you don't have the space for expansion that some schools do.

 

Here is the real question, would the soccer program have been aloud to exist without agreeing to no home games for three years. I agree that they signed the deal but under what conditions.

 

Also, no one is saying Beechwood should tear up their whole facility for soccer, only that when the turf is redone that it should be made multisport and include soccer. Now if the field was already redone within the last 4 years and they didn't do this, they blatantly ignored that they did have a girls soccer program.

 

So if they build a purely football field them what? "Well we know you agreed to not have home games for three years but we didn't put soccer lines on the field so your no homes games deal has been extended to 10 years because that is when we will be redoing the turf again"

 

As far as parents "forging" names for the soccer team, I would think a lot of parents sign there kids up for stuff. Kids are lazy and a lot of them expect their parents to do that sort of thing for them. Not saying that happened here but come one its not like they wrote down the names of dead voters, this isn't a presidential election.

 

To your first question ... Yes ... there would have been a boys soccer team. I have given many different reasons why soccer happened ... and it wasn't just because they offered to be off campus (which held no value because they use campus facilities when they are available).

 

I harp on the off campus part for 2 reasons:

 

1. Because they should prove that things will work with the plan they submitted--and I think it very well could.

 

2. The girls soccer team went through a ton of effort to make things work for their program--and they did it by following a much tougher set of guidelines that were down right oppressive. And they did it a manner where they built relationships and truly tried to work with the other programs. To this day ... they handle things as well or better than any other group I have been around.

 

As far as the field goes ... I think you make very fair points. I say that knowing that ... the field has to be widened .. .as even the soccer coach says in the articled linked in this post ... the track program ... which already dodges baseballs and softballs daily ... will end up with a little more than half of their track. We immediately lose a lane for the widening ... and at least another half for drainage--which is a huge issue in that geographic location (it rained for 20 minutes last night--2 entire lanes were at LEAST a foot deep with water).

 

But we should definitely push the 100 kids in the track program so we can widen the field. And it can only be widened on the stand side. You can't go closer to the expressway because it is state land. You can't go closer to the school end zone because there is a main support retaining wall for the school/cafeteria and you can't expand to the fieldhouse side because the field house is there.

 

The one thing that I think could work well ... put field turf where the current baseball field/girls soccer field is. If that is turf--then the soccer field could shift and co-exist with baseball without messing up the mound, dirt, etc (the base paths are already grass .. so it wouldn't be a huge deal). Right now--that really can't happen because the new addition is being built. But I think it could work.

 

 

From there--based on the way this happened ... and the fact that some of the higher ups who colluded with certain "others" to make sure that this happened ... still leaves a bad taste in the mouth of MANY people. Especially since those people are no longer at the school. Again ... letting parents in school ... write down names of kids that they never talked to ... letting parents pick a coach without going through the true hiring process ... making the other new sports work to a significantly tougher set of guidelines even when they had true, accurately obtained interest via the KHSAA interest survey .... I am sorry ... without that type of help from those people who are no longer involved .. it wouldn't have happened to begin with.

 

Last ... I am NOT talking about parents signing kids up. I am talking about writing names down that had never spoken to anyone ... kids, parents, Captain Kangaroo, etc. There was a list .. .and I still have a copy of it with names of kids--who never signed up ... their parents never signed up ... but most importantly ... NEVER WOULD. I can't believe you still try to justify that ... like some mistake was made or something. From there ... the numbers thrown around still do not come close to matching the public statements that have been made.

 

If things would have been right from the beginning ... I am sure that the people against it would still be against it. But ... I think that eventually ... most would get over it because it simply was done in a fair manner as opposed to the shady, backdoor, buddy buddy, I'll scratch your back if you scratch mine way it ended up.

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