January 8, 201511 yr Sad situations, the terrorist act as well as the mindset of people in response, including in this thread. It just goes to show that being tolerant of other religion is just a farce on all sides. There are extremists on all sides, and it doesn't matter who has more, it's not a contest so why keep score? It's also disturbing that just hours after the attach people are already bashing on our government and president on what will they do, or what they will say, instead of giving them a chance to respond. It's hate, just as the hate that these extremist have, it's just theirs is on a higher level of hate, but it's all hate. As I said, it doesn't matter how many extremist committed acts such as this were of one religion or another. Their are over 1.5 billion Muslims in the world, if it was their goal, a Muslim goal, to do this and to convert everyone, I'm pretty sure more of the 1.5 million of them would be doing this, a lot more of them. But they are not! As far as them wanting to convert everyone, how is that different than any other religion? Why do we have Christian based religions all over the world trying to do the same? Didn't the first white men who stepped foot in the Western Hemisphere do the same? It's been going on in this part of the world for 100's of years. So far we are lucky as many of our home grown terrorist have decided to go overseas to fight, just wait until they decide to stay here and do their thing, it will happen. But we are asking for it, people up in arms and ticked off about searches at the airport, full body scans, pat downs. People in the USA would rather have convenience than safety. If you don't want the safety features, don't fly, it's a privilege not a right. Same with anything else, such as attending a sporting event, people are upset over searches, it's not about their "rights", the people complaining about it are only upset because they can't sneak in their own alcohol, again, convenience over safety. Now to the event today. A very sad situation, but unfortunately it's not the first, and it won't be the last. Tonight there were about 20,000 in Paris who attended a quickly organized "Paris is not afraid" rally. But, this magazine has been bombed before over things that they have printed. We may think it's everyone's right and freedom to print anything they want. If mocking Mohammed will tick off some people who will retaliate, and in a big way, then why do it? If you know they will be very ticked? Yes, they have the freedom to print what they want, but they know they will be targeted for it. We have the right to say anything. But is it smart to go into a poor all black area and yell the N word? It's your right to say it, but it's not going to be your smartest move, and you will likely end up in the ER, if you're lucky. So why tempt people? I disagree. I hate when people try and make equivalency of all religions. Islam is in a class by themselves and the world will be better when everyone realizes it. Not every muslim is extreme . But majority of terrorists are Muslim. A large portion hold very extreme views in the middle east. This really isn't up for debate it's backed by poll after poll. Denial just prolongs the problem.
January 8, 201511 yr Anyone else disgusted that the USA Today gave a radical Islamist an editorial to pretty much justify the attacks?
January 8, 201511 yr ^I'm not going to post the link because I'm not rewarding them with clicks, but it was written by Anjem Choudary. A quick google should give you what you need.
January 8, 201511 yr Anyone else disgusted that the USA Today gave a radical Islamist an editorial to pretty much justify the attacks? I'm not necessarily disgusted, but I get where you're coming from. I'm a true believer in the concept of the marketplace of ideas. I'm sorry to say that there are an alarming number of people in this country who don't understand or refuse to understand what's at stake here. I read an exchange on Twitter just last night between two people arguing about the context of immigrants in France and the explicit xenophobia in this publication's content. More people should read these lunatics in print and see them on TV and stop having any delusions about what's going on here.
January 8, 201511 yr I'm not necessarily disgusted, but I get where you're coming from. I'm a true believer in the concept of the marketplace of ideas. I'm sorry to say that there are an alarming number of people in this country who don't understand or refuse to understand what's at stake here. I read an exchange on Twitter just last night between two people arguing about the context of immigrants in France and the explicit xenophobia in this publication's content. More people should read these lunatics in print and see them on TV and stop having any delusions about what's going on here. One of my biggest beefs with it is the impact it's going to have on Muslims in our society. Giving this lunatic a pedestal to espouse his ignorance is going to have a negative impact on how many view non-radical Muslims. It's creating a greater divide in a situation where we desperately need to shrink the gap. JMO.
January 8, 201511 yr Author One of my biggest beefs with it is the impact it's going to have on Muslims in our society. Giving this lunatic a pedestal to espouse his ignorance is going to have a negative impact on how many view non-radical Muslims. It's creating a greater divide in a situation where we desperately need to shrink the gap. JMO. The non radiacal muslims are just as bad. They never condem and go along with everything that is happening. They arent opposed to Islam taking over. People who think the non-radical muslims arent happy down deep inside are badly mistaken.
January 8, 201511 yr The non radiacal muslims are just as bad. They never condem and go along with everything that is happening. They arent opposed to Islam taking over. People who think the non-radical muslims arent happy down deep inside are badly mistaken. You just made my point. People who think the non-radical Christians aren't happy down deep inside when the radical Christians do awful things are badly mistaken. See how ignorant that sounds?
January 8, 201511 yr The non radiacal muslims are just as bad. They never condem and go along with everything that is happening. They arent opposed to Islam taking over. People who think the non-radical muslims arent happy down deep inside are badly mistaken. Who says they aren't? I would have no way of knowing that. It's like the folks who screamed about black leaders not doing anything about the neighborhood violence in Chicago when what they meant was "I've never heard about them doing anything." They of course have been trying things to combat urban violence for years. I'd be willing to bet that there are Islamic religious leaders all over the United States condemning this sort of behavior but that never makes news because somebody standing inside a mosque saying "This is terrible." isn't very compelling.
January 8, 201511 yr Author You just made my point. People who think the non-radical Christians aren't happy down deep inside when the radical Christians do awful things are badly mistaken. See how ignorant that sounds? I cant or dont compare Christians and or to Muslims.
January 8, 201511 yr One of my biggest beefs with it is the impact it's going to have on Muslims in our society. Giving this lunatic a pedestal to espouse his ignorance is going to have a negative impact on how many view non-radical Muslims. It's creating a greater divide in a situation where we desperately need to shrink the gap. JMO. Despite a few things here and there, I don't think the United States has seen much in the way of anti-Muslim reprisals. We remain an exceptionally accepting place for emigrants from all over the world despite a few sore spots. And I maintain that the attitude of acceptance of new cultures and the assimilation of them into the broader American society is why radicalization is rather limited here as opposed to Europe, where they live in fairly closed-off communities.
January 8, 201511 yr Author Who says they aren't? I would have no way of knowing that. It's like the folks who screamed about black leaders not doing anything about the neighborhood violence in Chicago when what they meant was "I've never heard about them doing anything." They of course have been trying things to combat urban violence for years. I'd be willing to bet that there are Islamic religious leaders all over the United States condemning this sort of behavior but that never makes news because somebody standing inside a mosque saying "This is terrible." isn't very compelling. Im willing to say it dont make the news because only a .1% may condem it. They are eitehr for it or afraid to speak out against it.
January 8, 201511 yr Author Despite a few things here and there, I don't think the United States has seen much in the way of anti-Muslim reprisals. We remain an exceptionally accepting place for emigrants from all over the world despite a few sore spots. And I maintain that the attitude of acceptance of new cultures and the assimilation of them into the broader American society is why radicalization is rather limited here as opposed to Europe, where they live in fairly closed-off communities. Our government goes out of the way to appease the Muslims and make sure no one dares speak ill of them.
January 8, 201511 yr I cant or dont compare Christians and or to Muslims. Right, because Christians are better than Muslims and therefore they can't be compared, right?
January 8, 201511 yr Im willing to say it dont make the news because only a .1% may condem it. They are eitehr for it or afraid to speak out against it. Maybe so. In either case, it's not going to make the news because violence brings eyeballs to the screens and the web pages; condemnations of violence never do.
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