No. I think it was instituted to shield kids from embarrassment, which I think is sending the wrong message. If kids do not want to be embarrassed on the basketball floor or any other playing field then they shouldn't come out for the team or they should spend more time working on their games. Kids need to learn that what they get out of competing depends on what they put in to it. They shouldn't be shielded from the consequences.

Wow, I so totally disagree with your premise. Look at the scores of the recent running clock games. Are they not embarassing enough? Is a 40 pt defeat not "consequences" enough? Don't give me the song and dance about coming out and toughening up. What about district games that have to be played? So, what about the mercy rule in baseball? You think that's a stupid rule as well?

It's not like they are quitting. They are still in the contest. The clock just doesn't stop. Some of you act like the roll up the floor, lower the hoops and turn out the lights.

Wow, I so totally disagree with your premise. Look at the scores of the recent running clock games. Are they not embarassing enough? Is a 40 pt defeat not "consequences" enough? Don't give me the song and dance about coming out and toughening up. What about district games that have to be played? So, what about the mercy rule in baseball? You think that's a stupid rule as well?

 

Like I said previously I don't think kids should be shielded. IMO it is more embarrassing that the clock is running, which to me is like changing the rules in the middle of the contest.

 

As far as district games go I think the KHSAA should classify schools into districts based on enrollment and not geographic location. That would level the playing field (allowing some small schools a chance a getting to the regionals) but still allow a winner take all state champion.

 

Your points are valid...but we will have to agree to disagree.

Like I said previously I don't think kids should be shielded. IMO it is more embarrassing that the clock is running, which to me is like changing the rules in the middle of the contest.

 

As far as district games go I think the KHSAA should classify schools into districts based on enrollment and not geographic location. That would level the playing field (allowing some small schools a chance a getting to the regionals) but still allow a winner take all state champion.

 

Your points are valid...but we will have to agree to disagree.

The rules don't change. The game is just shorter. And travel issues and finance would never allow the KHSAA to take schools and sort them by enrollment. Not to mention, some of the smaller schools are the ones doling out the large margins.

I like the rule, however in MOST cases it could be avoided. Unless the setting is a seeding or tournament game why schedule it in the first place. If involved in this type of game the superior team could play bench early and often, thus avoiding the blow out and get the complete thirty two minute game. Every kid gets minutes and no one is embarrassed...

I like the rule, however in MOST cases it could be avoided. Unless the setting is a seeding or tournament game why schedule it in the first place. If involved in this type of game the superior team could play bench early and often, thus avoiding the blow out and get the complete thirty two minute game. Every kid gets minutes and no one is embarrassed...

Now this I agree with. Some of this can be coached out of the contest totally.

Like I said previously I don't think kids should be shielded. IMO it is more embarrassing that the clock is running, which to me is like changing the rules in the middle of the contest.

 

As far as district games go I think the KHSAA should classify schools into districts based on enrollment and not geographic location. That would level the playing field (allowing some small schools a chance a getting to the regionals) but still allow a winner take all state champion.

 

Your points are valid...but we will have to agree to disagree.

 

The running clock doesnt bother me really, but i agree with the bolded 1000%.

The rules don't change. The game is just shorter. And travel issues and finance would never allow the KHSAA to take schools and sort them by enrollment. Not to mention, some of the smaller schools are the ones doling out the large margins.

 

We differ on that. IMO shortening the game is changing the rules.

 

I wasn't clear. Keep the existing regions by geographic location and then re-shuffle the districts by enrollment. Also, KHSAA does it for football. Shouldn't be a heavy lift for basketball.

We differ on that. IMO shortening the game is changing the rules.

 

I wasn't clear. Keep the existing regions by geographic location and then re-shuffle the districts by enrollment. Also, KHSAA does it for football. Shouldn't be a heavy lift for basketball.

While that might be ok in metropolitan areas, what about the rural parts of the state? And in basketball, there are 3 times the number of games.

While that might be ok in metropolitan areas, what about the rural parts of the state? And in basketball, there are 3 times the number of games.

 

I don't think that is much of an issue. Small schools look to schedule other small schools (especially in their region) now anyway. The small school close to where I live only plays schools similar in size. Only large schools they play are currently in their district. The rest of their games include schools from the Louisville Metro area all the way to Maysville and down to Berea. The small schools around the state know each other and seek each other out to play already.

I'm not really a fan of the running clock...and I have been on the receiving end of several beat downs as a coach.

 

Perfect example. We played in a pretty prestigious tournament in Indiana last year...something we just kind of fell into. Our opening game on Friday night was against a top 20 (at the time) IN 4A team. Without going into detail...several 911 calls were placed from the gym...cause we were getting murdered. No running clock in IN basketball. Final score...118-48.

 

Now, I want to state for the record...I DO NOT LIKE TO LOSE! However, not one time did it ever cross my mind that I wanted the clock to continue to run. I wanted my kids to continue to play hard...I wanted them to battle...I wanted to see some toughness. There were also things I wanted to work on as a basketball team.

 

Did it suck to lose like that? Yep. Did my kids learn some stuff? Yes they did. My kids now laugh about it and look back fondly at the trip...and we went 0-4 and lost one of the other games pretty badly as well. But losing is part of the game. As for the other coach...can't answer for him, he may have greeted a running clock with open arms, I mean it kind of sucks to beat someone that bad as well. But as to his opinion I don't know.

 

What I would like to see is a compromise. A running clock as an OPTION. Both coaches meet with the refs at the scorers table before tip off and agree to a running clock. Both have to say yes. One no, and the clock stops. Maybe even give the option to re-evaluate at half time if no running clock and give opposing coach a chance to change his mind. At least then their is a choice.

 

What I would like to see is a compromise. A running clock as an OPTION. Both coaches meet with the refs at the scorers table before tip off and agree to a running clock. Both have to say yes. One no, and the clock stops. Maybe even give the option to re-evaluate at half time if no running clock and give opposing coach a chance to change his mind. At least then their is a choice.

 

Now that I could get behind. However, to eliminate it I don't like at all.

I agree with you Colonel. Simply put it teaches kids how to respond to failing. If coaches can't handle the beatdown then they shouldn't schedule the game.

 

This is simply an unfair statement.....with due respect, there are many schools that have to schedule games that they dont want to because of district makeup. What needs fixing is that system, but thats a whole other issue. You think Bellevue WANTS to play NCC, or Ludlow and Villa Madonna WANT to play Dixie? I'm with those who dis-like the running clock. At the very least, it should be an option agreed upon by both teams once the beatdown begins. Big School subs playing small school starters could benefit both in that type of mandated matchup

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This is simply an unfair statement.....with due respect, there are many schools that have to schedule games that they dont want to because of district makeup. What needs fixing is that system, but thats a whole other issue. You think Bellevue WANTS to play NCC, or Ludlow and Villa Madonna WANT to play Dixie? I'm with those who dis-like the running clock. At the very least, it should be an option agreed upon by both teams once the beatdown begins. Big School subs playing small school starters could benefit both in that type of mandated matchup

District make up has no bearing on who you schedule, if you do not play them you just lose you seeding, Covington Latin goes that route.

What GRC has done in the past when we had a state ranked team was to schedule two of our schools in our district only once. MoCo we would play twice and it is always a competitive game. The game that would effect the district seeding was decided on in advance in rotating each year, so each team would have home court advantage every other year.