June 3, 201412 yr Wacha isn't better than Latos, Lynn is at best even with Leake, and I don't know how anyone can say anyone is better than Cueto with a straight face with the type of season he's having. I am a Reds fan. I don't want to say these types of things but I also am a realist.
June 3, 201412 yr Author Cueto leads all of baseball in ERA, SO, WHIP, IP, and WAR. No one is better than Johnny C right now.
June 3, 201412 yr Also an argument can be made for Homer over Garcia. When Wainright and the other pitchers say that Garcia has the best stuff on the staff, I would take him over Homer any day.
June 3, 201412 yr Author I am a Reds fan. I don't want to say these types of things but I also am a realist. Sounds more like the doom and gloom mentality Reds fans are accustomed too than being a realist.
June 3, 201412 yr Cueto leads all of baseball in ERA, SO, WHIP, IP, and WAR. No one is better than Johnny C right now. I am not arguing that Cueto has not been great. I hope it continues but to put him over Wainright with his history of injuries and the innings he has already thrown is very iffy at best. The Cards staff is better top to bottom, especially right now.
June 3, 201412 yr When Wainright and the other pitchers say that Garcia has the best stuff on the staff, I would take him over Homer any day. That's all well and good but he made 29 start the last 2 years. He can't stay healthy and Homer has had equal (Probably better when you really look at it) numbers the last two years with 65 starts.
June 3, 201412 yr Sounds more like the doom and gloom mentality Reds fans are accustomed too than being a realist. Nope, just a realist. Look at the way the Reds have performed. Very poor. If they play better, I will gladly say so.
June 3, 201412 yr Author I am not arguing that Cueto has not been great. I hope it continues but to put him over Wainright with his history of injuries and the innings he has already thrown is very iffy at best. The Cards staff is better top to bottom, especially right now. The Cards staff is not better top to bottom now, or when Latos is healthy. Cardinals Staff ERA 3.20, WHIP of 1.17, OBA of .232 Reds Staff ERA 3.19, WHIP of 1.13, OBA of .228 Yep...Clearly better. :lol2:
June 3, 201412 yr Author Nope, just a realist. Look at the way the Reds have performed. Very poor. If they play better, I will gladly say so. A realist would know that the poor performance has zero to do with the starting pitching. A realist would admit that the Reds staff has been elite, and it's the offense that is to blame for the record.
June 3, 201412 yr The Cards staff is not better top to bottom now, or when Latos is healthy. Cardinals Staff ERA 3.20, WHIP of 1.17, OBA of .232 Reds Staff ERA 3.19, WHIP of 1.13, OBA of .228 Yep...Clearly better. :lol2: You can quote anything that you want, but I would take the Cards and give you the Reds and you would be looking up at me in the standings.
June 3, 201412 yr You can quote anything that you want, but I would take the Cards and give you the Reds and you would be looking up at me in the standings. If you have equal hitting the Reds would be up a game or so in the standing considering the ERA is lower so not really.
June 3, 201412 yr A realist would know that the poor performance has zero to do with the starting pitching. A realist would admit that the Reds staff has been elite, and it's the offense that is to blame for the record. I would agree that the pitching has performed very well and should even get better with a healthy bull pen. No doubt. The pitching is not the problem with this team. Their line up is horrible and has way too many holes. I am just arguing pitching versus pitching.
June 3, 201412 yr Author You can quote anything that you want, but I would take the Cards and give you the Reds and you would be looking up at me in the standings. I feel like I'm talking to a wall. Do you not realize that we're specifically talking about the starting pitching here? Do you not realize that the Reds offense is the 2nd worst in the league in terms of scoring runs? Are you really trying to tell me that because the Cardinals are better overall, i.e. higher in the standings that that means they have a better staff than the Reds?
June 3, 201412 yr Author I would agree that the pitching has performed very well and should even get better with a healthy bull pen. No doubt. The pitching is not the problem with this team. Their line up is horrible and has way too many holes. I am just arguing pitching versus pitching. So you're arguing only pitching versus pitching, but when the numbers bear out that the Reds staff is at worst every bit as good as the Cards, you're completely ignoring it. :banghead:
June 3, 201412 yr If you have equal hitting the Reds would be up a game or so in the standing considering the ERA is lower so not really. But the reality is that they probably will not ever be equal in hitting because the Cards have a better line up from 1-8 than the Reds, even with everyone healthy.
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