January 10, 201412 yr Over 66,000 thousand gallons per day in June 2004. Barely over 24,000 thousand gallons per day in June of 2013 - and dropping since then. Recovery? U.S. Total Gasoline Retail Sales by Refiners (Thousand Gallons per Day) Very shocked at first, I couldn't believe that gasoline consumption is barely over a third of what is was nine years ago. (still wonder about the accuracy of that number BTW) To achieve that with better MPG every car/truck/SUV in America would have to have approximately 3 times better MPG than nine years ago...that didn't happen. Even if the only cars driven in America were Prius or some other hybrid vehicle the best that could have been save would still only be roughly 1/2 of what it was nine years ago. Government efforts have had a miniscule effect on fuel consumption. The #1 reason for the drop in fuel consumption less miles being driven. When families have less coming in, they do less traveling and less vacationing and fewer weekend trips out of town are made. My family (my wife and I) for example drives maybe 50 miles during the week, one trip out of town on the weekend to go eat or shop or a day trip somewhere would more than triple (over 200 miles) our weekly driving. Staying home on the weekends would drop our fuel consumption to around 1/3 without improving MPG one bit. #2 reason fuel consumption is down is due to the price of gasoline... Jan 2004 US Average Price of Gasoline was around $1.44 Jun 2013 US Average Price of Gasoline was around $3.60 Quote from Steven Chu made prior to being selected Secretary of Energy --“Somehow,” Chu said, “we have to figure out how to boost the price of gasoline to the levels in Europe.”
January 10, 201412 yr No, but it will make a few people very rich when they put that oil on tankers and go sell it in places where they can make a lot more money.That's not a terrible thing.
January 10, 201412 yr Very shocked at first, I couldn't believe that gasoline consumption is barely over a third of what is was nine years ago. (still wonder about the accuracy of that number BTW) To achieve that with better MPG every car/truck/SUV in America would have to have approximately 3 times better MPG than nine years ago...that didn't happen. Even if the only cars driven in America were Prius or some other hybrid vehicle the best that could have been save would still only be roughly 1/2 of what it was nine years ago. Government efforts have had a miniscule effect on fuel consumption. The #1 reason for the drop in fuel consumption less miles being driven. When families have less coming in, they do less traveling and less vacationing and fewer weekend trips out of town are made. My family (my wife and I) for example drives maybe 50 miles during the week, one trip out of town on the weekend to go eat or shop or a day trip somewhere would more than triple (over 200 miles) our weekly driving. Staying home on the weekends would drop our fuel consumption to around 1/3 without improving MPG one bit. #2 reason fuel consumption is down is due to the price of gasoline... Jan 2004 US Average Price of Gasoline was around $1.44 Jun 2013 US Average Price of Gasoline was around $3.60 Quote from Steven Chu made prior to being selected Secretary of Energy --“Somehow,” Chu said, “we have to figure out how to boost the price of gasoline to the levels in Europe.” Bingo!
January 10, 201412 yr That's not a terrible thing. No it's not. But the price of gasoline is how this pipeline was sold to people.
January 10, 201412 yr I don't know, I guess some tree hugger made up agenda. I did however find this link which was interesting...:sarcastic: Climate Change: Consensus Was the gentleman in this article part of the consensus? Wrong: Al Gore Predicted Arctic Summer Ice Could Disappear In 2013 | CNS News :lol::lol:
January 10, 201412 yr Was the gentleman in this article part of the consensus? Wrong: Al Gore Predicted Arctic Summer Ice Could Disappear In 2013 | CNS News :lol::lol: I post a link to NASA you post a link to cnsnews.com some right wing hack site soliciting donations at the bottom of the article. Nice credibility and way to stay on the thread topic.:lol:
January 10, 201412 yr Very shocked at first, I couldn't believe that gasoline consumption is barely over a third of what is was nine years ago. (still wonder about the accuracy of that number BTW) To achieve that with better MPG every car/truck/SUV in America would have to have approximately 3 times better MPG than nine years ago...that didn't happen. Even if the only cars driven in America were Prius or some other hybrid vehicle the best that could have been save would still only be roughly 1/2 of what it was nine years ago. Government efforts have had a miniscule effect on fuel consumption. The #1 reason for the drop in fuel consumption less miles being driven. When families have less coming in, they do less traveling and less vacationing and fewer weekend trips out of town are made. My family (my wife and I) for example drives maybe 50 miles during the week, one trip out of town on the weekend to go eat or shop or a day trip somewhere would more than triple (over 200 miles) our weekly driving. Staying home on the weekends would drop our fuel consumption to around 1/3 without improving MPG one bit. #2 reason fuel consumption is down is due to the price of gasoline... Jan 2004 US Average Price of Gasoline was around $1.44 Jun 2013 US Average Price of Gasoline was around $3.60 Quote from Steven Chu made prior to being selected Secretary of Energy --“Somehow,” Chu said, “we have to figure out how to boost the price of gasoline to the levels in Europe.” I agree that American habits have changed somewhat, especially in car buying but I do not agree that people are driving all that much less. My family has driven to Florida for vacation the last 2 years and if you go to the malls, resturants, movies, etc on the weekends at least around my neck of the woods people are out in strong numbers. I know I'm not driving any less than I always have, are you? This is not strickly a low demand issue which the OP is obviously trying to pin on the POTUS without a shred of evidence. All of the evidence, unemployement numbers, stock markets, GDP growth suggest that the economy is in full recovery mode. Given those factors consumption should be increasing but fuel efficientcy standards and the type of cars Americans are buying are keeping it low.
January 10, 201412 yr I post a link to NASA you post a link to cnsnews.com some right wing hack site soliciting donations at the bottom of the article. Nice credibility and way to stay on the thread topic.:lol:Hilarious!! Sorry, but your disagreement with the source doesn't change the comedy of it all. Are you saying the site made it up? Your link snobbery does not help your cause.
January 10, 201412 yr Hilarious!! Sorry, but your disagreement with the source doesn't change the comedy of it all. Are you saying the site made it up? Your link snobbery does not help your cause. Nothing to ad, can't stay on topic.:troll: It also looks like it is a classic misrepresentation. http://www.truth-out.org/opinion/item/18941-arctic-sea-ice-and-al-gores-prediction-2013
January 10, 201412 yr Folks, in my opinion we will NEVER EVER win regarding fuel prices. It's too rigged against us.
January 10, 201412 yr I agree that American habits have changed somewhat, especially in car buying but I do not agree that people are driving all that much less. My family has driven to Florida for vacation the last 2 years and if you go to the malls, resturants, movies, etc on the weekends at least around my neck of the woods people are out in strong numbers. I know I'm not driving any less than I always have, are you? This is not strickly a low demand issue which the OP is obviously trying to pin on the POTUS without a shred of evidence. All of the evidence, unemployement numbers, stock markets, GDP growth suggest that the economy is in full recovery mode. Given those factors consumption should be increasing but fuel efficientcy standards and the type of cars Americans are buying are keeping it low. There is absolutely no way car buying habits have dropped fuel consumption to nearly one third of what it was nine years ago. You would have to see nothing but Hybrids on the road and even then it would not reduce fuel consumption as much as it has reportedly gone down. I question how much it has actually gone down as that reduction is really hard to imagine. Average MGP in America for new cars and trucks combined in 2004 just under 20 mpg, average today is right at 24 mpg. It is impossible for that increase in MPG to drop consumption to roughly 40% of what it was in 2004. Yes, to answer your question we have chose to drive less over the last several years due to gas prices.
January 10, 201412 yr There is absolutely no way car buying habits have dropped fuel consumption to nearly one third of what it was nine years ago. You would have to see nothing but Hybrids on the road and even then it would not reduce fuel consumption as much as it has reportedly gone down. I question how much it has actually gone down as that reduction is really hard to imagine. Average MGP in America for new cars and trucks combined in 2004 just under 20 mpg, average today is right at 24 mpg. It is impossible for that increase in MPG to drop consumption to roughly 40% of what it was in 2004. Yes, to answer your question we have chose to drive less over the last several years due to gas prices. I hate it when the math blows up the argument.
January 10, 201412 yr I hate it when the math blows up the argument. His math didn't blow up anything. He chose to ignore the fact that a large amount of older cars were on the road and getting far worse gas mileage than 20mpg in 2004, were taken off the road by cash for clunkers or are now obsolete. Because a new car in 2004 was getting 20 mpg would obviously not hold true for older models. I get such a kick out of some of the guys on this site who ignore UE, GDP, DOW, etc all trending in the great directions but they pull out some gase consumption chart that a recovery isn't happening and completely ignore advancements in vehicles. Ford has a v6 engine in its F150 now that is 302 HP. Nevertheless, welcome to BGP, you'll fit in here just fine and are just what BGP needed....another right winger!
January 10, 201412 yr His math didn't blow up anything. He chose to ignore the fact that a large amount of older cars were on the road and getting far worse gas mileage than 20mpg in 2004, were taken off the road by cash for clunkers or are now obsolete. Because a new car in 2004 was getting 20 mpg would obviously not hold true for older models. I get such a kick out of some of the guys on this site who ignore UE, GDP, DOW, etc all trending in the great directions but they pull out some gase consumption chart that a recovery isn't happening and completely ignore advancements in vehicles. Ford has a v6 engine in its F150 now that is 302 HP. Nevertheless, welcome to BGP, you'll fit in here just fine and are just what BGP needed....another right winger! Even if every car in America had been replaced with non-clunkers you still would not get these reductions in fuel use...can you not admit that it is because people are driving less and not some government mandate that has caused the majority of the reduction? BTW there are 240,000,000 passenger vehicles in America...690,000 cars were traded in on the cash for clunkers program accounting for .287% of all cars on the road...pretty sure less than 1/3 of 1% of all cars didn't have much of an impact.
January 10, 201412 yr I never addressed "The Recovery" just the bogus claims that Government Mandates have reduced fuel consumption.
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