I had a Mom get sideways with me earlier this season after I explained to her that her DD's hard ground ball to the RF, who then muffed the catch AND throw, was a solid single with a 2 base error, NOT a triple.

Lot of those Moms scattered through the the state

 

 

I agree I had a similar convo with of all people our DD mother... "No that hit you called a triple was a double with an error on the throw" I told the coach I'll be happy to do the book but ill do my best to be accurate. So no padding here. I'm not smart enough to try and pad anyway. Coach Coffey wants them as accurate as possible anyway as he uses them to coach. I do agree that it does suck when a tough effort results in an error and the lack of effort is scored as a hit. But that's the way I score.

As long as the score keeper attempts to be fair that is all you can ask for, with that I mean if its a hit for your team the same ball should a hit for the other team.

 

When you have a team with a team batting avg of .400 and their pitchers era is around 1 and they lose 10 games a year something isn't right.

Couldn't agree more. We only have one over 400 and anyone that's seen her hit would verify that number. Two close to 400 but it drops fairly steeply after that.

I agree with that...plus some are just hard to determine...its not uncommon that broadcaters disagree with the official scorekeeper...

 

The plays that bug me are when a player runs 30 feet in the outfield and on a dead run the balls hits off the glove and they say error then the next ball is hit 5 feet from another outfielder but she doesn't touch and they say hit bc it it didn't touch her glove.

 

"sneaks" under the glove as she attempts a "shoestring" catch.......in my book it's a hit with all she can get (double, triple, hr). Any "screamer" that is hit to an infielder that is "muffed" or goes through the legs is an error in my book. Just because it was hit hard doesn't constitute a hit.

 

In baseball statistics, an error is the act, in the judgment of the official scorer, of a fielder misplaying a ball in a manner that allows a batter or baserunner to advance one or more bases, when such an advance would have been prevented given ordinary effort by the fielder.

 

Most scorekeepers fail to register an error when a throw from the catcher on a pickoff attempt goes wide or is in the dirt an allows the baserunner to advance, as well as, a fielders throw that allows a runner to advance.

 

 

There is a curious loophole in the rules on errors for catchers. If a catcher makes a "wild throw" in an attempt to prevent a stolen base and the runner is safe, the catcher is not charged with an error even if it could be argued that the runner would have been put out with "ordinary effort." There is therefore a "no fault" condition for the catcher attempting to prevent a steal. However, when considering that the majority of stolen base attempts are successful (around 2 successes per failure), this "no fault rule" is understandable due to the extreme difficulty of throwing out runners. If the runner takes an additional base due to the wild throw, an error is charged for that advance. However, if the catcher's glove is hit by the bat, it is counted as a catcher's interference and the catcher is given an error unless the batter gets a hit off the play.

Also, if I was trying to be "sneaky" my kid would be hitting better than .229 :banghead:

"sneaks" under the glove as she attempts a "shoestring" catch.......in my book it's a hit with all she can get (double, triple, hr). Any "screamer" that is hit to an infielder that is "muffed" or goes through the legs is an error in my book. Just because it was hit hard doesn't constitute a hit.

 

In baseball statistics, an error is the act, in the judgment of the official scorer, of a fielder misplaying a ball in a manner that allows a batter or baserunner to advance one or more bases, when such an advance would have been prevented given ordinary effort by the fielder.

 

Most scorekeepers fail to register an error when a throw from the catcher on a pickoff attempt goes wide or is in the dirt an allows the baserunner to advance, as well as, a fielders throw that allows a runner to advance.

 

 

There is a curious loophole in the rules on errors for catchers. If a catcher makes a "wild throw" in an attempt to prevent a stolen base and the runner is safe, the catcher is not charged with an error even if it could be argued that the runner would have been put out with "ordinary effort." There is therefore a "no fault" condition for the catcher attempting to prevent a steal. However, when considering that the majority of stolen base attempts are successful (around 2 successes per failure), this "no fault rule" is understandable due to the extreme difficulty of throwing out runners. If the runner takes an additional base due to the wild throw, an error is charged for that advance. However, if the catcher's glove is hit by the bat, it is counted as a catcher's interference and the catcher is given an error unless the batter gets a hit off the play.

 

Good stuff, thanks. You always seem to be full of information. Question for you or anyone else regarding catchers interference: What is the batter credited with? Doesn't seem it would be fair to give him a "reach base on error" in this case. I was told once that the batter is given a hit in the book and the catcher gets an error. Is that correct? So if the batter is given a hit and the catcher an error, is it an earned run if the batter later scores without any further errors in the inning?

Have to comment on this one... Our 1b grandpa keeps our book ... he uses his own shorthand . S for Single instead of circling 1b . anything that she reaches base on is a hit . Then we have two dad's as assist coach's . one isnt bad about hitting % and such but the other will knock over a girl getting to the book after his kid bats .. so the sad story is our stats ( which should be very useful and help a team determine some sort of evaluation) is a total absolute joke. and these stats will determine post season award stuff also . sad . right out of the daddy ball playbook .

Good stuff, thanks. You always seem to be full of information. Question for you or anyone else regarding catchers interference: What is the batter credited with? Doesn't seem it would be fair to give him a "reach base on error" in this case. I was told once that the batter is given a hit in the book and the catcher gets an error. Is that correct? So if the batter is given a hit and the catcher an error, is it an earned run if the batter later scores without any further errors in the inning?

 

It is noted in the book as CI (catcher interference). On "catcher interference", the batter is awarded first base, no official at-bat is charged. Thus, if the runner is to score it would go down as unearned, because of the error charged to the catcher.

 

However, if the actual playing result is more advantageous than the penalty, the offense may elect to ignore the infraction. Thus if the runner scores the result would be an earned run (assuming no further errors).