Yep..The only reason I mention it, is I have seen this called incorrectly twice in southwest ohio baseball.

 

As far as your question, I'm still struggling.

 

Ever hear of the "fourth out?"

then this must be an appeal play....the defensive team must appeal that the runner on third left too early. Since the defense left the field, they gave up their right to appeal.

 

Come to think of it, didn't this happen in a major league game a few years ago??

 

The way I've seen the 4th out happen is like this. Runner on 2nd and 3rd. A ground ball is hit to the third basemen. The third basemen tags the runner coming to third, but not before the run scores. The batter seeing the runner tagged out, stops running and never makes it to first. If the third basemen throws to first, the batter is now declared out, and the run does not score because the batter being forced out at first now supersedes the runner from second being tagged out, and becomes the new "3rd" out.

then this must be an appeal play....the defensive team must appeal that the runner on third left too early. Since the defense left the field, they gave up their right to appeal.

 

Come to think of it, didn't this happen in a major league game a few years ago??

 

The way I've seen the 4th out happen is like this. Runner on 2nd and 3rd. A ground ball is hit to the third basemen. The third basemen tags the runner coming to third, but not before the run scores. The batter seeing the runner tagged out, stops running and never makes it to first. If the third basemen throws to first, the batter is now declared out, and the run does not score because the batter being forced out at first now supersedes the runner from second being tagged out, and becomes the new "3rd" out.

 

You are correct in your understanding of the "fourth out."

Okay, let's use this same scenario except the ball is hit in the gap between first and second. Second baseman misses his attempt to field the ball. However, the first baseman is still attempting his play on the ball when it hits the runner. What's the call?

 

Yep..The only reason I mention it, is I have seen this called incorrectly twice in southwest ohio baseball.

 

As far as your question, I'm still struggling.

Sorry. I meant to quote this post

 

Here's another....

 

Same runners..1st and 3rd. This time, nobody out. The infield is playing in on the grass to prevent the runner on third from scoring. The ball is hit just out of the second basemen's reach, and then hits the runner heading to second. What is the correct call??

Okay, let's use this same scenario except the ball is hit in the gap between first and second. Second baseman misses his attempt to field the ball. However, the first baseman is still attempting his play on the ball when it hits the runner. What's the call?

 

Play on. Rule says "before the ball has passed or touched an infielder." It passed an infielder in your example.

Okay, let's use this same scenario except the ball is hit in the gap between first and second. Second baseman misses his attempt to field the ball. However, the first baseman is still attempting his play on the ball when it hits the runner. What's the call?

 

Depends on what the umpire thinks;-). If the umpire determines the first baseman can make a reasonable play on the ball the runner can still be called out, dead ball, all runners that aren't forced to advance, must return to their original base. If the ump thinks the first baseman did not have a reasonable chance at making a play, then it's play on. Or if the umpire determines the runner intentionally contacted the ball he can be called out for interference. More than likely though, it's going to be play on if the infield was playing in.

 

Here is rule 7:09

 

7.09 It is interference by a batter or a runner when:

 

m) A fair ball touches him on fair territory before touching a fielder. If a fair ball goes through, or by, an infielder, and touches a runner immediately back of him, or touches the runner after having been deflected by a fielder, the umpire shall not declare the runner out for being touched by a batted ball. In making such decision the umpire must be convinced that the ball passed through, or by, the fielder, and that no other infielder had the chance to make a play on the ball. If, in the judgment of the umpire, the runner deliberately and intentionally kicks such a batted ball on which the infielder has missed a play, then the runner shall be called out for interference."

Sorry Clyde. This is right.

 

Rarely seen but one that would cause a "discussion" with the coach! :-)

 

Depends on what the umpire thinks;-). If the umpire determines the first baseman can make a reasonable play on the ball the runner can still be called out, dead ball, all runners that aren't forced to advance, must return to their original base. If the ump thinks the first baseman did not have a reasonable chance at making a play, then it's play on. Or if the umpire determines the runner intentionally contacted the ball he can be called out for interference. More than likely though, it's going to be play on if the infield was playing in.

 

Here is rule 7:09

 

7.09 It is interference by a batter or a runner when:

 

m) A fair ball touches him on fair territory before touching a fielder. If a fair ball goes through, or by, an infielder, and touches a runner immediately back of him, or touches the runner after having been deflected by a fielder, the umpire shall not declare the runner out for being touched by a batted ball. In making such decision the umpire must be convinced that the ball passed through, or by, the fielder, and that no other infielder had the chance to make a play on the ball. If, in the judgment of the umpire, the runner deliberately and intentionally kicks such a batted ball on which the infielder has missed a play, then the runner shall be called out for interference."

The rule reference is incorrect. That isn't the NFHS book.

 

Rule 5.1.1.f.2

Ball becomes dead immediately when a fair batted ball touches a runner after passing through or by an infielder and another infielder could have made a play on the ball.

 

Sorry Clyde. This is right.

 

Rarely seen but one that would cause a "discussion" with the coach! :-)

Sorry Clyde. This is right.

 

Rarely seen but one that would cause a "discussion" with the coach! :-)

 

I didn't read far enough down in the rulebook.

The rule reference is incorrect. That isn't the NFHS book.

 

Rule 5.1.1.f.2

Ball becomes dead immediately when a fair batted ball touches a runner after passing through or by an infielder and another infielder could have made a play on the ball.

 

7.09 is OBR .

State championship game

Bottom 7

Bases loaded

1 out

Scored tied 3-3

 

Batter hits ball to right side of infield. Perfect double play ball scenario. Ball hits runner before 2nd baseman can field it.

 

What happens?

State championship game

Bottom 7

Bases loaded

1 out

Scored tied 3-3

 

Batter hits ball to right side of infield. Perfect double play ball scenario. Ball hits runner before 2nd baseman can field it.

 

What happens?

 

Should still be the same rules application right?

 

Ball is dead. R1 is out. Batter awarded first base. Runners at 2nd and 3rd return to their bases. Bases still loaded, but 2 outs.

I'm bored waiting for some real games to start. I was talking with my son about a play we saw in a knothole game a few years ago.

 

Thought I'd do a rules quiz to kill some time.

 

If you're an umpire please refrain from answering.

 

Scenario:

 

Runners on first (R1) and third (R3) with two outs. High hopper hit to the second baseman who fields it and runs toward R1 to tag him.

 

There's a brief rundown (not sure why the kid didn't just throw to 2nd or 1st). While the rundown is underway, R3 crosses the plate.

 

The 2Bman tags R1 for the third out of the inning (after R3 has crossed the plate).

 

Does the run count?

 

 

 

 

Key word here is TAGS out. Run counts.

Should still be the same rules application right?

 

 

Ball is dead. R1 is out. Batter awarded first base. Runners at 2nd and 3rd return to their bases. Bases still loaded, but 2 outs.

 

Sounds right to me.