Perhaps America and History's most effective Vice President brought down the house last night!

 

By PHILIP ELLIOTT, ASSOCIATED PRESS

 

CHARLOTTE, N.C. (AP) — Joe Biden stepped forward Thursday as Barack Obama's chief character witness, link to middle class voters and potentially the most biting critic of Republican rival Mitt Romney.

 

Speaking candidly about his front-row seat to Obama's presidency, Biden used his speech to Democrats' convention to paint his friend as a gutsy leader who helped the nation turn the corner on its dour economy. He pointed to the decisions to bail out Detroit's auto industry and to dispatch Navy SEALs into Pakistan for a fatal raid on al-Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden's compound.

 

"Conviction. Resolve. Barack Obama," Biden shouted to delegates watching in the convention hall and millions more watching at home.

 

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Joe Biden Speech At 2012 Democratic National Convention: 'Conviction. Resolve. Barack Obama'

Do you really believe the stuff you post or is most of it tongue in cheek?

Of course we believe in our Commander In Chief. We release our tax returns and don't work for Bain Capital. I have never heard President Obama say "I like to fire people."

Of course we believe in our Commander In Chief. We release our tax returns and don't work for Bain Capital. I have never heard President Obama say "I like to fire people."

 

I can't believe I'm engaging in this but here goes.

 

"I like to fire people." said no one ever.

 

When did Romney say that?

 

You sound like a broken record.

I can't believe I'm engaging in this but here goes.

 

"I like to fire people." said no one ever.

 

When did Romney say that?

 

You sound like a broken record.

 

That quote from Gov. Romney is in the same category as the "you didn't build that" quote. They are both accurate, but when you listen to the full context, neither is an accurate reflection of what was said. I would go so far as to categorize both as so misleading as to be a lie.

Romney said...

 

"I want individuals to have their own insurance," Romney said. "That means the insurance company will have an incentive to keep you healthy. It also means if you don’t like what they do, you can fire them. I like being able to fire people who provide services to me. You know, if someone doesn’t give me a good service that I need, I want to say I’m going to go get someone else to provide that service to me."

 

Reference:

PolitiFact | Mitt Romney said he likes to fire people, said Delaware governor

Romney said...

 

"I want individuals to have their own insurance," Romney said. "That means the insurance company will have an incentive to keep you healthy. It also means if you don’t like what they do, you can fire them. I like being able to fire people who provide services to me. You know, if someone doesn’t give me a good service that I need, I want to say I’m going to go get someone else to provide that service to me."

 

Reference:

PolitiFact | Mitt Romney said he likes to fire people, said Delaware governor

 

In other words he doesn't want the government controlling who he gets his insurance from. Who does?

In other words he doesn't want the government controlling who he gets his insurance from. Who does?

 

It was a quote taken out of context so that the other side could run with it. And during election season, no less. What's the world coming to?

That quote from Gov. Romney is in the same category as the "you didn't build that" quote. They are both accurate, but when you listen to the full context, neither is an accurate reflection of what was said. I would go so far as to categorize both as so misleading as to be a lie.

What BGH is alluding too is a lie. And it is not in the same category as "you didn't build that". What Obama said is up to interpetation. You can copy and paste the entire speech and it is still open to interpetation. What Romney said isn't. If you want to call switching insurance companies firing them then fine but that is not what BGH said or alluded to. Post the entire text and BGH's garbage falls apart.

Romney said...

 

"I want individuals to have their own insurance," Romney said. "That means the insurance company will have an incentive to keep you healthy. It also means if you don’t like what they do, you can fire them. I like being able to fire people who provide services to me. You know, if someone doesn’t give me a good service that I need, I want to say I’m going to go get someone else to provide that service to me."

 

Reference:

PolitiFact | Mitt Romney said he likes to fire people, said Delaware governor

What BGH is alluding too is a lie. And it is not in the same category as "you didn't build that". What Obama said is up to interpetation. You can copy and paste the entire speech and it is still open to interpetation. What Romney said isn't. If you want to call switching insurance companies firing them then fine but that is not what BGH said or alluded to. Post the entire text and BGH's garbage falls apart.

 

When has it not? I just hate that you guys quote him and I see it by accident.

When has it not? I just hate that you guys quote him and I see it by accident.

I was going to ignore him but it's like trying to ignore a train wreck.

What BGH is alluding too is a lie. And it is not in the same category as "you didn't build that". What Obama said is up to interpetation. You can copy and paste the entire speech and it is still open to interpetation. What Romney said isn't. If you want to call switching insurance companies firing them then fine but that is not what BGH said or alluded to. Post the entire text and BGH's garbage falls apart.

 

Quoting both statements out of context is literally true. Both are lies about what was meant. Any fair reading of what the President said reveals that he referred to infrastructure. I undertstand that the Romney campaign talking points refuse to admit that, but it doesn't make it any less a lie. I expect to hear more and more lies out of the Romney campaign. After the past two weeks I think it is their only chance to win.

Quoting both statements out of context is literally true. Both are lies about what was meant. Any fair reading of what the President said reveals that he referred to infrastructure. I undertstand that the Romney campaign talking points refuse to admit that, but it doesn't make it any less a lie. I expect to hear more and more lies out of the Romney campaign. After the past two weeks I think it is their only chance to win.

Again, they aren't the same. The Obama line isn't as clear as you wish it to be. It can be debated. The Romney line can't, period.

 

As for as the Romney campaign lying, of course they will. They all do. Obama is no different.

Again, they aren't the same. The Obama line isn't as clear as you wish it to be. It can be debated. The Romney line can't, period.

 

As for as the Romney campaign lying, of course they will. They all do. Obama is no different.

 

It can be debated, just not honestly. And no, there is a quantitative and qualitative difference. Trying to create an equivalency between an oversimplification or a distortion and an outright lie is not intellectually honest. The Romney campaign has made the welfare lie a cornerstone of its campaign.

It can be debated, just not honestly. And no, there is a quantitative and qualitative difference. Trying to create an equivalency between an oversimplification or a distortion and an outright lie is not intellectually honest. The Romney campaign has made the welfare lie a cornerstone of its campaign.

Sorry, but it can be debated honestly.

 

Are you saying Obama has never lied?