Clyde, that is just the way it is in swimming. Club swimmers are typically only required to attend a few practices a year with the team and they get full privileges in the competitions. It is not unusual for High School swimmers not to know their club swimmer team mates.

 

I know that. He said "these nobodies came in..." and "you had no idea who they were."

 

I assume that's hyperbole?

My kids, swim club for a very small, somewhat obscure, club in OH, but they know virtually every other club (USA Swimming - they may not know some YMCA kids) in NKY. Not to mention they know virtually all of the kids who have swam NKSL growing up. The swimming community is fairly small and pretty tight. Plus club or not they know all of their own teammates.

 

One of the really neat things things about nky is at the state meet, all the NKY teams Coe together and do Region 4 cheers together.

I know that. He said "these nobodies came in..." and "you had no idea who they were."

 

I assume that's hyperbole?

 

I might be reading into CGH comments a little bit, but I sence a little bit of resentment and I understand why. The High School swimmers go to practices and swim in the meets with the club swimmers. Then a very few of of the High School Swimmers qualify for Regionals and almost none qualify for state. Yet the High School swimmers are expected to come to regionals and state meets to cheer for these "team mates" that they did not see all year. Furthermore, the club swimmers have usa meets that conflict with the school meets and swim in the high school meets only when it doesn't conflict with their usa meet schedule.

 

Granted, the High School swimmers don't see the club swimmers at their 5:30 am practices 5 days a week, or the three dry land workouts they have on top of that. But the whole situation is a formula for resentment. Most of the High School Coaches are USA Coaches as well, so the whole culture is tolerated.

 

Could you imagine a varsity basketball player telling their coach that they were not going to be available for game because it conflicted with an aau game?

I assume you went to Campbell County. You're saying you had no idea who these top swimmers were? Come on.

 

Yes I did go to Campbell Co. And yes, my freshman year, we had a club swimmer on our team that qualified for state, and I had never spoken to him before. Only him and I represented CCHS at state, and i had NO IDEA who he was. He was put into events at meets, wouldn't sit with the team, would hang out with his club teammates, and would only talk to us when he was on a relay...

 

So COME ON is right. It doesn't set up for good team moral when you don't have everyone there for practice. That's where you mold together and become a team.

Could you imagine a varsity basketball player telling their coach that they were not going to be available for game because it conflicted with an aau game?

 

Could you imagine every high school and middle school basketball team in NKY having a single gym to compete in?

 

The reality of high school swimming is the lack of high school pools impacts the sport to the point where it really isn't a great prep sport for many of the feelings you are expressing. Teams cant train together, the number of meets is limited, the meets the athletes do attend are overcrowded and the number of events is always limited to a very few. The problem is the lack of high schools with pools, not club athletes, training in the only manner they can to stay competitive.

In most programs, swimming is female dominated because the only winter alternative is basketball.

You forgot to mention club volleyball! :lol:

You forgot to mention club volleyball! :lol:

 

That is true, but my understanding is that select vb impacts basketball programs more than swimming. Wrestling is the sport that limits male participation in swimming.

It's nice to see a swimming thread get all this activity!

Could you imagine every high school and middle school basketball team in NKY having a single gym to compete in?

 

The reality of high school swimming is the lack of high school pools impacts the sport to the point where it really isn't a great prep sport for many of the feelings you are expressing. Teams cant train together, the number of meets is limited, the meets the athletes do attend are overcrowded and the number of events is always limited to a very few. The problem is the lack of high schools with pools, not club athletes, training in the only manner they can to stay competitive.

 

i see your point, however I know that Campbell County has varsity programs other than swimming that use other complexes for practices. The baseball team is currently spending time in an old elementary gym, splitting it's time with cheerleading and colorguard, and wrestling at some points too. every team still has weekly practices- the venue doesn't alter that.

Could you imagine every high school and middle school basketball team in NKY having a single gym to compete in?

 

The reality of high school swimming is the lack of high school pools impacts the sport to the point where it really isn't a great prep sport for many of the feelings you are expressing. Teams cant train together, the number of meets is limited, the meets the athletes do attend are overcrowded and the number of events is always limited to a very few. The problem is the lack of high schools with pools, not club athletes, training in the only manner they can to stay competitive.

 

Compete, how about practice? Supposedly there were plans to build a pool at Cooper, but I understand they were scrubbed due to cost over runs.

 

I wish I were younger. I see the absense of a facility like Silverlake in Boone County in particular as a entreprenurial oppertunity. Teams are using NKU for diving practice and Silverlake for swim practice, but Scott is used exclusively for competitions. The Florence Aquatic center is only open two months a year. Seems like there is an oppertunity here.

Compete, how about practice? Supposedly there were plans to build a pool at Cooper, but I understand they were scrubbed due to cost over runs.

 

I wish I were younger. I see the absense of a facility like Silverlake in Boone County in particular as a entreprenurial oppertunity. Teams are using NKU for diving practice and Silverlake for swim practice, but Scott is used exclusively for competitions. The Florence Aquatic center is only open two months a year. Seems like there is an oppertunity here.

 

Practice is an issue as well (another reason why club swimmers' only option is to train with their club). Camelsgohard brought up other sports having to go offsite. It is hard for me to imagine any sport that has more obstacles at the prep level than swimming in NKY, which is why kid's have such divided loyalties between their high school and club teams.

 

Ohio is a much different situation. Many many of the high schools have pools (St. X, Sycamore, Milford, Oak Hills, Anderson, Turpin, Cincinnati Country Day, etc). Additionally, in OH once you swim your first high school meet of the season, you are prohibited from swimming club until the completion of the high school season. If KHSAA went that route none of your better varsity swimmers would choose high school.

 

Boone County does have the RC Durr YMCA facility. I realize that isn't a long course pool, but given the lack of indoor pools in NKY, it does meet some needs.