RTS, my daughter has occasionally worked for a company that "tests" servers and checkout clerks at places like UDF to see if they card when people purchase alcohol. There are laws and most places like UDF have a notice posted that you will be carded for alcohol a nd tobacco purchases. Judging age by appearance is subjective. By requiring clerks to card everyone, it becomes an objective exercise. You can rail about the nanny state all you want. But the reality is the company has the right to protect their business by ensuring all alcohol purchases are made by those of legal age. They face fines and further penalties if they don't.

RTS, my daughter has occasionally worked for a company that "tests" servers and checkout clerks at places like UDF to see if they card when people purchase alcohol. There are laws and most places like UDF have a notice posted that you will be carded for alcohol a nd tobacco purchases. Judging age by appearance is subjective. By requiring clerks to card everyone, it becomes an objective exercise. You can rail about the nanny state all you want. But the reality is the company has the right to protect their business by ensuring all alcohol purchases are made by those of legal age. They face fines and further penalties if they don't.

Again, I understand that. But lets face it, you, me or my wife will never be mistaken for a twenty something and certainly not under 21. Again, I get the policy, I really do. However, like I said, there is a point where it goes too far. I have a valid ID, but that wasn't sufficient.

 

The policy is to protect minors from being served and to keep the store from penalties for serving minors. I get that. But if a 40 year old walks in to buy beer with a teenager, they sell them the beer. They have no clue if that is their kid or if they're buying the kid beer. So they say if the kid hands them money in the store they need to ID both. Again, I get that. But when it's obvious to all in the store that both parties are over the age of 50, it just became over-reaching and inconvenient for the customer. IF a seventy year old walks in to buy beer and he's asked for an ID, it's over-reaching. Again, there's no common sense anymore.

Again, I understand that. But lets face it, you, me or my wife will never be mistaken for a twenty something and certainly not under 21. Again, I get the policy, I really do. However, like I said, there is a point where it goes too far. I have a valid ID, but that wasn't sufficient.

 

The policy is to protect minors from being served and to keep the store from penalties for serving minors. I get that. But if a 40 year old walks in to buy beer with a teenager, they sell them the beer. They have no clue if that is their kid or if they're buying the kid beer. So they say if the kid hands them money in the store they need to ID both. Again, I get that. But when it's obvious to all in the store that both parties are over the age of 50, it just became over-reaching and inconvenient for the customer. IF a seventy year old walks in to buy beer and he's asked for an ID, it's over-reaching. Again, there's no common sense anymore.

 

I honestly have no problem getting carded. Policies are there for a reason and I see no reason to be upset about them. I would rather show my ID at 46 or 70 than have an underage buyer who looked older be sold alcohol without being carded. Objective policy versus subjective judgement. Seems logical to me.

It is really simple RTS, the clerk has to show that she carded the parties involved on camera. Counter cameras run 24/7, that is also how the state runs checks to see if clerks are carding their customers. That is why most of your bigger chains anymore card everyone.

 

FYI for any of you that buy beer at walmart. When the clerk gets your id to check it, the eye in the sky zooms in on your ID as well. 1. to verify you are old enough, 2. they have a match link program with the state police that runs your info through the system. If your wanted for something, the state police will be notified you were just at said walmart.

I honestly have no problem getting carded. Policies are there for a reason and I see no reason to be upset about them. I would rather show my ID at 46 or 70 than have an underage buyer who looked older be sold alcohol without being carded. Objective policy versus subjective judgement. Seems logical to me.

There's no logic in carding a 70 year old. I don't mind being carded either really, I had an ID and my wife doesn't look remotely underage. Subjective judgement within reason is fine, it's unacceptable when it crosses the the line of absurdity.

It is really simple RTS, the clerk has to show that she carded the parties involved on camera. Counter cameras run 24/7, that is also how the state runs checks to see if clerks are carding their customers. That is why most of your bigger chains anymore card everyone.

 

FYI for any of you that buy beer at walmart. When the clerk gets your id to check it, the eye in the sky zooms in on your ID as well. 1. to verify you are old enough, 2. they have a match link program with the state police that runs your info through the system. If your wanted for something, the state police will be notified you were just at said walmart.

I don't usually get carded at the bigger chains. Why? Could be I look my age.

RTS, my daughter has occasionally worked for a company that "tests" servers and checkout clerks at places like UDF to see if they card when people purchase alcohol. There are laws and most places like UDF have a notice posted that you will be carded for alcohol a nd tobacco purchases. Judging age by appearance is subjective. By requiring clerks to card everyone, it becomes an objective exercise. You can rail about the nanny state all you want. But the reality is the company has the right to protect their business by ensuring all alcohol purchases are made by those of legal age. They face fines and further penalties if they don't.

Finally! The voice of reason. :thumb: I tried to explain to him last night, that the law can't rely on subjective judgments. I clearly don't look much like a terrorist, yet I get sniffed, wiped and groped at the airport...

 

 

...and that's before I even get out of the parking lot!

Finally! The voice of reason. :thumb:

Suck up!

Finally! The voice of reason. :thumb: I tried to explain to him last night, that the law can't rely on subjective judgments. I clearly don't look much like a terrorist, yet I get sniffed, wiped and groped at the airport...

 

 

...and that's before I even get out of the parking lot!

Subjective within reason, BF. Within reason....

I don't usually get carded at the bigger chains. Why? Could be I look my age.

 

...or older.

Suck up!

:sssh:

Can a UDF refuse to sell RTS beer if his drivers license is expired? Is it a regulation/rule?

Subjective within reason, BF. Within reason....

Nope. Subjective is subjective, and if a business is going to go strictly by the law (which it has to, these days) there is no room for judgment calls. It's the shotgun approach, but legally, that's their safest bet.

Can a UDF refuse to sell RTS beer if his drivers license is expired? Is it a regulation/rule?

 

Yes, they don't have to sell it to you period. If the retailer feels that something is off with the ID, (dates are off, expired, looks like a fake, photo doesn't look like person, or more) they can refuse to sell at any time. It's a right given to all retailers who sell A&T

Nope. Subjective is subjective, and if a business is going to go strictly by the law (which it has to, these days) there is no room for judgment calls. It's the shotgun approach, but legally, that's their safest bet.

Over-reaching is over-reaching, plain and simple. The policy, as it stands, is over-reaching. If they keep it as is, they'll likely lose more customers.