Intentional Foul

An unneeded comment IMO

I agree that Coach Watkins' basketball knowledge is much needed on RH's bench and that he is a major reason for RHs success the last 2 seasons.

OK, I guess I’ll throw my hat in the ring. First, I’ve said for many years (and many posts on BGP) that I don’t believe all-tourney teams, MVPs, POYs, etc… should even be awarded. This thread is exactly why I feel this way. Because of the subjective voting of these awards, there will always (and I truly mean always) someone who feels they have been slighted. I hear people say that they miss “old school” basketball when working as a team was the most important thing. It was a compliment when a player sacrificed his/her stats for the good of the team. These individual awards are a contradiction to what the game of high school basketball should be about. A few years ago, I witnessed a team win a district title, but a player on the winning team was not awarded the MVP trophy. She was crying hysterically because the award was given to another of her teammates. While bothering me immensely, I also realized this was a teenage girl who just wasn’t old enough to control her emotions. Unfortunately, most of the comments about voting results of the KABC POY are from adults. I realize that all of the 16th region girls have fans and parents who love them and want to protect them. But a thread with approximately 50 posts complaining about who won the award just prolongs the disappointment for the non-winners. Many posters say “I am not criticizing the winner” but then say another girl is more worthy. Well, even with the caveat, the winner is going to feel criticized even if it is not intended. Now even the ONE girl who should feel happy is also made to feel bad. Once again, no one wins, partly due to the comments of adults. Bottom line – Have these awards and accept the results regardless of the possible voting motives. Or don’t have the award at all. I suggest the second option

Not trying to spin anything - just didn't want any possible negatives associated with this post. Thanks for your clarification and your support of McDavid.

I guess everyone has his own opinion, but I don't really see the need to put this comment in this post. Just congratulate McDavid, wish him well, and let that be the end of it

Well, the game is quickly approaching - whose it gonna be: Rose Hill or Pike County. I would love to see some posts from the Pike County fans just to learn a little about their team - which I haven't seen play this year. As for me, going in blind, I'll take RH.

I have seen McDavid play on countless occassions and he is about as old school as you can get. He gets the job done in a workmanlike and unflashy manner while also posting unbelievable stats. Watching this man (he is certainly no kid anymore) you just know that he would throw out all the personal stats for just one more win for his team. Truly a great leader and competitor, I too will miss watching Drew McDavid. He is a perfect example of what high school sports ALWAYS should be.

All very good points Scooter. Thanks for the info!

Scooter, don't read anything into this, but I am am curious - what do you mean by "under the circumstances"? And by the way, I also believe that Euton should be right there in the voting.

Just to make an already muddled picture even more unclear, I checked the ADIs final regular season stats (2006 - 2007) for both players. Here they are: Points per game: Fortman: 21.1 (590 in 28 games) Queen: 21.7 (456 in 21 games) Rebounds per game: Fortman: 9.7 (272 in 28 games) Queen: 11.8 (249 in 21 games) Field Goal Percentage: Fortman: 57.7% (206 of 357) Queen: 52.3% (176 of 336) 3 Point Percentage: Fortman: 34.6% (18 of 52) Queen: Not listed in the top 22 of the region Free Throw Percentage Fortman: 82.1% (160 of 195) Queen: 75% (93 of 124) Some additional info: Assists per game: Fortman: 2.6 (as of Mar. 11 according to Russell High website) Queen: 2.4 (according to Himmelfarb) Steals per game: Fortman: 3.1 (as of Mar. 11 according to Russell High website) Queen: 3.5 assists (according to Himmelfarb) Pretty darn close. I personally would not want to make this choice. If I were voting for a high school career I have to go with Queen. But this is a player of the YEAR award. For the 2006-2007 year cut the darn thing in half and give each player a piece. Its sad that for such a close race someone has to be left out, but isn't it great that 2 players in the 16th have such GREAT stats. It sure has been fun watching these two over the years!!!!!!!

Looks like our posts are just missing each other in cyberspace. I think we are actually saying the same thing. The RH girls played great in the regional, they beat the best, and they deserve a ticket to Diddle. As I said before, I will be rooting for them.

Big Bubba, I already responded to your privious post before seeing this one. I may very well have misinterpreted you post and for that I am sorry. That is the only problem with writing comments - it leaves a lot open to interpretation. Probably my biggest problem being a poster on BGP is when I interpret a post that I feel may not be giving other teams in the region credit. All the 16th region girls give their hearts and souls to the game and sometimes a post just hits me the wrong way.

Whoaaa...Big Bubba, calm down a little bit. I never "threw your team" under a bus. As a matter of fact I have enjoyed watching RH (and especially their young ones) improve this season. If you look over my posts this season, I have NEVER criticized A RH player or coach. I may have disagreed with an RH fan or, for that matter, another 16th region's team's fan but usually it was to refute something said about another team - something that this forum was designed for. Now my next comment is in no way directed at RH players and their coaching staff. It amazes me to believe that some fans feel their teams are the only ones to go through hard times during the season - usually situations that are never made public. This is the nature of team sports. The good teams fight through these tough times and still win. I congratulate RH for doing just this. Overcoming problems that occurred over the season should make RH's regional win even more staisfying. But make no mistake, other teams have also dealt with adversity this season. Many teams in the 16th region would love to have 2 viable Miss Basketball candidates on their team, regardless of the behind the scenes drama. this being said, Rose Hill has my support as they travel to Diddle. Oh, and if you don't like how some people respond to your posts, I have a simple solution .... Just don't post anymore

In hindsight you may say this, but in reality I don't know ANY coach that would rather play a powerhouse (for lack of a better word) opponent in the first round of any tournament. If that wasn't the case, tournaments would not seed. Again, I hope that RH fares well at Diddle (I will be routing for them) and its great to be excited, but it seems like some (not all of course) of the RH faithful are getting a little big for their britches. Bubba, you make it sound like you knew the 16th region tourney would be a cakewalk, even when many of your fellow RHers have admitted even their doubts for a return to Diddle.

Congrats to Coach Trimble and the excellent season his Lady Rams have had. I believe that many 16th region coaches could have received this award this year (Kidwell, Bradley, and Euton to name a few) but Trimble is certainly well deserving with An All A regional championship and a District Championship. Congrats also to Miss Fortman who has had an excellent varsity career at Russell. She has definitely lived up to the potential that caused such a buzz when she first came to Russell. Best of luck to her as she continues her career at Buffalo.

I agree with Himmelfarb. I am not saying that Gray is not worthy since I have not actually seen her play. But if we are to compare apple to apples we need to see the stats for Gray during her varsity years just as Himmelfarb has provided them for Queen. As a viable candidate for Miss Basketball, someone must have access to these stats. Until I see 'em, I gotta go with Queen.

A huge congratulations to the RH girls and their coaching staff. They have really come together as a team the last few weeks of the season. With the favorable draw (RH playing Pike County Central in opening round) RH has a great chance of making it to Saturday morning. Now that RH has earned the right to go to Diddle, I hope that everyone's individual school preferences can be put aside - and everyone root for our 16th region representative. GOOD LUCK TO ROSE HILL AT STATE!!!!!!!

A disappointing loss for the kittens, although they went a lot farther than many believed. A lot of credit must go to Merle Kidwell for his game plan and the execution of it by his girls. I don't want to give the impression that I think Bradley was outcoached. Its just that with Russell's height, talent, quickness, and senior leadership, a good gameplan spelled doom for the younger and smaller Ashland squad. The future looks bright for Ashland since they only graduate one senior - Katelyn Stringer. Ashland fans may not realize it now, but Stringer will be greatly missed next year. Stringer may not be a top 15 player talentwise, but she may be the gutsiest player in the 16th. I will miss watching her play next year. Each year I go into the season with no real favorites, and as the season progresses I find myself following one or 2 teams. My favorite this year became Ashland. They never seemed to back down even when they were huge underdogs. Several times I saw them down by double digits only for them to fight back. what can I say - I like the underdog. This team had teamwork and grit. Next year, Ashland will probably be picked as one of the region favorites and I will probably choose another young and scrappy team to back. But, as for this year, it was fun to be a Kitten's fan.

OK, let me make sure I'm reading this correctly before commenting on this post. Scooter, are you saying that Fairview and Ashland would have turned down the request, if asked, for Terry to be honored during the 64th District Tournament for scoring her 2000 point? If this is the case, you are assuming a lot - especially if the assumption is meant to reflect poorly on the other district schools. Secondly, for the Queen request, are you saying that all the participating schools in the 16th Region Tournament were asked if Queen could be honored and they all said no Scooter, I've got to believe that I am misreading your comment. I don't think that even you would make such widespread accusations based solely on unsubstantiated assumptions. Please Scooter, say it ain't so............ Intentional Foul, my friend, it ain't so. I never intended any such interpretation. I have complete confidence that both Fairview and Ashland would have been most willing for Laura to receive the ball during the district. My point was that Boyd County, as tournament host, made the decision and moved on. The leadership of the Fairview and Ashland "congregations", I'm sure, would have, if consulted, added a hardy "amen". No doubt about that. Some may wonder why the ball was presented at the district tournament. Easy answer. Laura's father works away from home. She naturally wanted him there when she got her ball. This was the first, and could have been the last, opportunity. There was no clandestine intent. Just a nice story of cooperation. As for Queen, I am not certain of what caused the denial. I have heard a lot but I wasn't there. Scooterbob, my friend, I am glad it ain't so. I am still confused as to why you even felt the need to bring up the "other district" schools - but in the overall mood of goodwill and sportsmanship I am willing to concede this point. I most definitely would not want to be guilty of unwarranted assumptions.

I don't think that fans from East Carter would agree with you and I'm sure that Ashland hopes this is what Russell is thinking.

Oh, and by the way, I actually forgot the most important part of my post. I also believe that Miss Queen should be honored for her outstanding accomplishments sometime during the regional tournament. I have truly enjoyed watching her play over the past few years. She is not only a truly gifted athlete, but also a fine young lady.

...In regard to Laura, Rose Hill made the request to Boyd County, the host school, and Boyd County graciously consented. I'm sure that they didn't bother to seek the okay of the other district schools as may have occurred in the Queen request.... OK, let me make sure I'm reading this correctly before commenting on this post. Scooter, are you saying that Fairview and Ashland would have turned down the request, if asked, for Terry to be honored during the 64th District Tournament for scoring her 2000 point? If this is the case, you are assuming a lot - especially if the assumption is meant to reflect poorly on the other district schools. Secondly, for the Queen request, are you saying that all the participating schools in the 16th Region Tournament were asked if Queen could be honored and they all said no. Scooter, I've got to believe that I am misreading your comment. I don't think that even you would make such widespread accusations based solely on unsubstantiated assumptions. Please Scooter, say it ain't so............

East Carter by 7 Russell by 9 Russell represents the 16th at Diddle

I believe that West Carter was also your obvious winner in the first round game. If history tells us anything, it is that the obvious choice is not always the correct one.

OK here we go.... Rose Hill vs. East Carter Russell vs. Ashland Let the predictions fly..........