I can understand your opinion but the Latin Mass done daily was just a Mass IMHO that many Priest just went through the motions because "We the People" really weren't a part of the Mass only the Priest was and we just happened to be in attendance. Me? I love the Holy Thursday Mass with all the pomp and such.

 

I love how you can attend Mass today and actually be a active participant in the Mass unlike back in the day, when you were treated like a child who were seen but not heard!

I agree totally. We are called to be unified as one body of Christs. He is at the head and the people comprise the body. We are told that we should raise our voices as one in prayer and song. The old Latin Mass prevented this from happening. Now, the people are active participants in the eucharistic celebration. While the Latin Mass is a thing of beauty, and connects us to our past, I think celebrating the Mass in the vernacular is much more in line with the original teachings of the Church.

Getslow, what if I do not know Latin?

Instead of going somewhere to pray, it's a 55-minute show. It's part of what makes mass such a miserable experience at these churches for me. Take the following two videos. I'll take the first over the second every single time.

While I feel a bit sorry for that poor little girl being drowned in holy water , I still think this type of Mass brings the people into a much closer relationship with the Lord...and isn't that exactly what He longs for? To me, the Latin Mass serves mainly to raise and isolate the celebrant in a place above the congregation. The focus should be on the sacrifice of the eucharist and the worship of the people. I know just enough Latin to get through a Rosary, but I would be totally alienated at a Mass celebrated in nothing but Latin.

Edited November 8, 201114 yr by Birdsfan

Getslow, what if I do not know Latin?

 

I didn't either when I started going; I'd venture to guess that very few people who go know any more than the basic Latin used during the vocal portions of the mass. Holy Family Church in Dayton -- where I went to that first Tridentine Mass -- had Latin-English side-by-side missals you could pick up on your way into the church so you could follow along. I have since bought my own side-by-side missal that I always take with me. Having gone to more than my fair share of NO masses, I'd venture to guess that the effort taken to follow along and reflect on the prayerful aspects of the ancient mass is a lot more effort than most of the people regurgitating the same phrases they've uttered a thousand times on a thousand different Sundays.

 

But that's beside my point. I don't have it out for the NO mass. I just don't like the way it's been treated. There's nothing wrong with having mass in English, but do SOMETHING to remind people where they are, what they're doing and WHY they're praying. If priests in 1953 were just going through the motions, then 70 percent of Catholics do the same thing every Sunday in 2011.

You know your videos are indeed correct!

 

In the Latin the Mass the Camera doesn't show a single person taking part in the Mass and yes people in the English Mass are smiling and even laughing at getting wet, but THEY are singing and THEY understand what they are singing and thus they understand what THEY are praying/saying to God.

 

Mass to me at least isn't a solemn meeting of watching the Priest do his thing but a dinner that Christ (as in the Last Supper) invited us to each and every day and yes maybe at times people laugh and smile but isn't that what you think the Apostles did when they were with Jesus, even at the last supper!

 

I just don't buy that Jesus Christ was this "holier than thou" type of guy who never smiled, never laughed, never had a good time with his friends. To me at least, Jesus Christ the man, was a really great guy, one who his friends/followers wanted to be around and wasn't a person at all who didn't appreciate a good laugh or a kind smile.......heck my guess is he would have been the kid in class or at work that everybody admired or envied, who worked hard but always had time to talk to a friend in need and maybe like me would have much preferred to be a part of the Mass than just a observer of the Mass!

^ I don't see how anyone can watch that second video and think that it looks like anything other than boring. A couple guys chuckle at getting wet. Then everyone gets back to being bored or irritated by that horrible tambourine. And all those people singing? It's maybe 25 percent of them... at best.

 

I'm not trying to say that all masses should be in Latin. You'll never hear me advocate for that. I'm saying that Novus Ordo at a lot of churches leaves a great deal to be desired. I have attended Novus Ordo masses at St. Martin and St. Boniface here in Louisville that I thought were fantastic.

Edited November 8, 201114 yr by Getslow

You know your videos are indeed correct!

 

In the Latin the Mass the Camera doesn't show a single person taking part in the Mass and yes people in the English Mass are smiling and even laughing at getting wet, but THEY are singing and THEY understand what they are singing and thus they understand what THEY are praying/saying to God.

 

Mass to me at least isn't a solemn meeting of watching the Priest do his thing but a dinner that Christ (as in the Last Supper) invited us to each and every day and yes maybe at times people laugh and smile but isn't that what you think the Apostles did when they were with Jesus, even at the last supper!

 

I just don't buy that Jesus Christ was this "holier than thou" type of guy who never smiled, never laughed, never had a good time with his friends. To me at least, Jesus Christ the man, was a really great guy, one who his friends/followers wanted to be around and wasn't a person at all who didn't appreciate a good laugh or a kind smile.......heck my guess is he would have been the kid in class or at work that everybody admired or envied, who worked hard but always had time to talk to a friend in need and maybe like me would have much preferred to be a part of the Mass than just a observer of the Mass!

 

I have no idea how you drew any of that out of those two videos. It's just two different versions of the Gloria (and the people are singing the Gloria in both, by the way, and I'd venture to guess that a higher percentage of the congregation is singing in the video in Latin.). The only point of those videos was to show that there is beautiful liturgical music and then there's bad liturgical music. The latter absolutely makes me feel as though I've been put in prison for the duration of the song.

^ I don't see how anyone can watch that second video and think that it looks like anything other than boring. A couple guys chuckle at getting wet. Then everyone gets back to being bored or irritated by that horrible tambourine. And all those people singing? It's maybe 25 percent of them... at best.

 

Not trying to be smart but is Holy Family Church a Roman Catholic Church or just a Catholic Church as I don't see a listing in the Diocese of Covington listing. If Holy Family is just a Catholic Church, sorry but I don't need to go back to the dark ages, as I was raised in that time period of the Roman Catholic Church!

 

If you are speaking of Dayton, Ohio then I think you should have said Dayton, Ohio as most of the folks on this board would think Dayton Ky and not Dayton, Ohio!

 

 

 

 

 

^ It's in Dayton, Ohio, not Dayton, Kentucky, sorry about the confusion. So it's in the Archdiocese of Cincinnati.

Getslow, I get that maybe you weren't around in what I would refer to as the Dark Ages of the Catholic Church in my lifetime! I was and I wouldn't like the Church to go back to those days and honestly, I think that is where some in Rome are wanting us to go at the moment and that scares me a whole lot!

Mass to me at least isn't a solemn meeting of watching the Priest do his thing but a dinner that Christ (as in the Last Supper) invited us to each and every day and yes maybe at times people laugh and smile but isn't that what you think the Apostles did when they were with Jesus, even at the last supper!

Perfect!

Mass to me at least isn't a solemn meeting of watching the Priest do his thing but a dinner that Christ (as in the Last Supper) invited us to each and every day and yes maybe at times people laugh and smile but isn't that what you think the Apostles did when they were with Jesus, even at the last supper!

 

But it's so, so much more than that. It's the remembrance of an act of absolute selflessness, absolute compassion and absolute love in which Christ took unto himself the sins of the entire world. And in that moment, Christ is there. Not just in spirit, but in SUBSTANCE. It is the moment that makes us Catholic.

 

In that moment we are ourselves at the foot of the cross. I can't imagine that's a place for laughter. For Catholics, the Last Supper is certainly a model, but transubstantiation is about the sacrifice and for me, in that moment, solemnity is what's called for. There is nothing wrong with joy. There are all sorts of places for joy in the mass, but there are parts that deserve prayerful solemnity.

In that moment we are ourselves at the foot of the cross. I can't imagine that's a place for laughter. For Catholics, the Last Supper is certainly a model, but transubstantiation is about the sacrifice and for me, in that moment, solemnity is what's called for. There is nothing wrong with joy. There are all sorts of places for joy in the mass, but there are parts that deserve prayerful solemnity.

Our bishop says that the Mass should be a celebration of great joy. There are moments when solemnity should always be observed, but the overriding spirit should be one of joy and thanksgiving. Afterall, that is where we get the word "eucharist."

Lots of religion but not much scripture? Lets see some.

Lots of religion but not much scripture? Lets see some.

We're talking about the Mass -- That IS scripture!