^So basically you aren't a tolerant person nor do you have any desire to tolerate anything that is not what you believe.

 

You can't claim to be tolerant, than preach garbage like "if you tolerate, you evaporate". :lol:

 

I actually heard it from a preacher on the radio that I listen to on the way home from work on 90.7 (King of Kings radio)

He was talking about christian rights/principles being taken away and how morally corrupt our generations have become. it made sense to me.

 

I am very tolerant and do not think my way is the only right way. Only till my rights/principles are taken away.

The concept of being "allowed to pray" in America is astounding to me. This flies in the face of how and why this nation came to be in the first place. The Establishment Clause in the Constitution is there entirely for the purpose of protecting our religious freedoms... to prevent government from telling us how, when, why or to whom we should direct our worship. It is there to protect rights of atheists and agnostics as well as the faithful of all denominations.

 

It is not there to prevent Christianity - or any faith - from influencing our government, schools, or culture at large.

 

For any society that permits whack jobs like Fred Phelps and his brainwashed adherents to protest at the funerals of fallen soldiers, or GLAAD and NAMBLA to march proudly down Main Street for all to see, or bare breasted PETA believers to draw attention to their cause, or, or, or... it is a reach of monumental proportions to restrict teachers and coaches in the manner described in this situation.

 

They aren't restricting teachers from praying though. That's why what you're saying doesn't fly.

 

Is bowing one's head a necessary requirement for prayer nowadays?

 

Like I said, I think it's extreme, and it won't actually accomplish anything, but it's not violating anyone's rights. It's not hindering anyone's ability to pray if they so choose, so why the outrage?

I actually heard it from a preacher on the radio that I listen to on the way home from work on 90.7 (King of Kings radio)

He was talking about christian rights/principles being taken away and how morally corrupt our generations have become. it made sense to me.

 

I am very tolerant and do not think my way is the only right way. Only till my rights/principles are taken away.

 

What right here has been taken away?

 

You are still allowed to pray, correct?

 

Bowing one's head is not a necessary requirement to pray is it?

 

How does this hinder anyone's ability to pray?

You say I'm bowing my head, I say I'm looking at the ground... Prove I'm not! :lol:

 

:thumb: This is way over the top.

They aren't restricting teachers from praying though. That's why what you're saying doesn't fly.

 

Is bowing one's head a necessary requirement for prayer nowadays?

 

Like I said, I think it's extreme, and it won't actually accomplish anything, but it's not violating anyone's rights. It's not hindering anyone's ability to pray if they so choose, so why the outrage?

 

the problem to me is the whole principle of the thing. If you take away a little at a time, pretty soon you have nothing left. So my "if you tolerate, you evaporate" stems from if Christians keep tolerating this stuff, our rights pand principles will evaporate

Who's rights are being violated? Did I miss the part where it said they weren't allowed to pray?

 

As I stated, it's a bit extreme, but they are infringing on anyone's rights.

In my opinion anyone being told how and where they can pray is having their rights infringed upon. Because you don't think it is necessary to bow your head to pray some do. I would say most do. Who are you, I, or any one else to tell another person how or where they can pray. Everyone prays and worships differently.

I don't think this policy passes muster and should be struck down. Though it appears to be an overreaction against activities that had gotten the district in hot water previously, which included allowing local ministers to come in and preach to the students during lunch time, teachers handing out Bibles and leading Bible studies during school, and having official school functions at local churches. I don't think any of those policies pass muster either.

They aren't restricting teachers from praying though. That's why what you're saying doesn't fly.

 

Is bowing one's head a necessary requirement for prayer nowadays?

 

Like I said, I think it's extreme, and it won't actually accomplish anything, but it's not violating anyone's rights. It's not hindering anyone's ability to pray if they so choose, so why the outrage?

I started to be lazy and type UKMF, but wasn't sure how that acronym might be construed... lol... I guess I'll stick with UKMustangFan...

 

I do not always kneel, prostrate myself, close my eyes, wear a yarmulke or other head covering, or any number of other things people of all faiths do when they pray. In fact, I'm one of those weirdoes they make fun of on Saturday Nigh Live for praying to God throughout the day, about everything. I generally consider it unsafe to bow my head or close my eyes while driving. I don't always bow my head or close my eyes when praying in thanks for meals. I generally don't think it's a good idea to draw attention to one's self when praying, tithing, fasting or doing good deeds. That's something I believe should be between us and God.

 

So to answer your question, "No, I do not feel it is necessary to bow one's head when praying" although I often do in the appropriate setting. In fact, I believe that some of our greatest prayers wouldn't even look like prayers to the casual viewer... because some of them take days, weeks, months, even lifetimes to complete.

 

On the other hand... let's flip your argument around. If the teachers are permitted to pray... why is it anyone's business to tell them how they may and may not do so? I mean, the key point here is THE TEACHERS ARE PRAYING... right? As long as they are not igniting some Druidic bonfire or doing genuine harm in the method of their prayers... as long as they are not shrieking and wailing and deliberately putting forth a huge disruption of the peace... why does it matter whether they bow their heads or kneel or stand on their heads for that matter?

 

How dare we grant our government (at any level) the imputed right to such arrogance?

Yea, I don't see the sun rising tomorrow because I'm with mt ref. The not bowing your heads part is absurd. Though with any mt ref thread the title does seem misleading.

 

As Habib states however, sounds like the school was way on one side and has now shifted dramatically to the opposite side. Which to me screams a case of "horrible decision makers".

Yea, I don't see the sun rising tomorrow because I'm with mt ref. The not bowing your heads part is absurd.

 

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I was as shocked as you are.

I thought the article said that they weren't banned from bowing their heads, but rather they weren't allowed to participate in a student-led activity. It is supposed to remain a student-led activity and the teachers are not to participate and, in effect, endorse it. Basically, they cannot endorse the student-led activity.

 

It sounds like to me they could have bowed their heads and silently prayed along as long as they weren't actually joining in the group (I picture a big group circle). So, for example, had the teacher stood some distance away, could they not have bowed and prayed along separately?

 

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I was as shocked as you are.

I slept with one eye open last night looking for the first horseman of the Apocalypse... :lol:

I thought the article said that they weren't banned from bowing their heads, but rather they weren't allowed to participate in a student-led activity. It is supposed to remain a student-led activity and the teachers are not to participate and, in effect, endorse it. Basically, they cannot endorse the student-led activity.

 

It sounds like to me they could have bowed their heads and silently prayed along as long as they weren't actually joining in the group (I picture a big group circle). So, for example, had the teacher stood some distance away, could they not have bowed and prayed along separately?

 

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We can have a male teacher posting photos of two men kissing on a board in his German Language classroom under the guise of "World Events" and go all Vesuvius on a student for telling a fellow student that he felt homosexuality was wrong, but we cannot allow teachers to be seen praying by students?

 

And we wonder why things are so screwed up???

 

I would laugh at the absurdity of it all... if it weren't so sad and patently destructive.

We can have a male teacher posting photos of two men kissing on a board in his German Language classroom under the guise of "World Events" and go all Vesuvius on a student for telling a fellow student that he felt homosexuality was wrong, but we cannot allow teachers to be seen praying by students?

 

And we wonder why things are so screwed up???

 

I would laugh at the absurdity of it all... if it weren't so sad and patently destructive.

 

Not arguing, just stating what I read. The posts in this thread lead you to believe that teachers aren't allowed to bow their heads when they pray, but that's not how I understood the actual article.