What exactly has ACORN been found guilty of when it comes to voting fraud?

 

The only thing I remember was in Las Vegas when they were charged with paying people to register voters and those people put Dallas Cowboys names on the list. What else were they found guilty of?

Wait , Wait here it comes .

If you want to know why they call Karl Rove "the Architect" look no further than his ability to get much of America to incorrectly associate "voter fraud" with "ACORN." Heck, he was the guy who got someone fired for not being able to prosecute ACORN on fraud charges.

While I believe ACORN workers have been convicted in several other states - Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, Washington, and Florida, to name a few - these convictions have been for voter registration fraud as opposed to actual voter fraud. These workers provided false names on voter registration forms to get paid for work they didn’t do, not to stuff ballot boxes. Not saying that it's right - it's not - but it is different than actual voter fraud, which doesn't happen all that often.

While I believe ACORN workers have been convicted in several other states - Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, Washington, and Florida, to name a few - these convictions have been for voter registration fraud as opposed to actual voter fraud. These workers provided false names on voter registration forms to get paid for work they didn’t do, not to stuff ballot boxes. Not saying that it's right - it's not - but it is different than actual voter fraud, which doesn't happen all that often.

 

I believe the only one is NV. However, let's assume you are correct. You accurately point out that it falls short of voter fraud.

I'm trying to figure out what the issue is with having voters show an ID to vote. Seems pretty logical to me. In fact, I've always had to as it is.

I'm trying to figure out what the issue is with having voters show an ID to vote. Seems pretty logical to me. In fact, I've always had to as it is.

 

Two different argument: 1. Should they which seems logical and 2. Why the change in thinking since 2008?

 

The latter is the real issue to be debated. These same folks have voted for years without a DL or birth certificate. Suddenly, one candidate gets them to show up and vote in large numbers and we need to re-write laws? Doesn't pass the smell test.

For years (and this was prior to the last Presidential election) we in the Commonwealth of Kentucky have had to show an approved picture ID to vote and if you didn't, you weren't allowed to vote!

 

So I an not a minority, I am not here illegally nor am I a convicted felon, oh and nobody thinks I am too young to vote either, but yet each time I have voted, I have to show a pictured ID, even though I know the person who is checking the voters ID's and she in turn knows me and honestly I have no problem with doing so as in Kentucky at least, there has been proven voter fraud!

 

So explain to me again Clyde, why it's such a bad thing and why you think it is only being done only to stop minorities voters?

For years (and this was prior to the last Presidential election) we in the Commonwealth of Kentucky have had to show an approved picture ID to vote and if you didn't, you weren't allowed to vote!

 

So I an not black, I am not an here illegally nor am I a convicted felon, oh and nobody thinks I am too young to vote either, but yet each time I have voted, I have to show a pictured ID, even though I know the person who is checking the voters ID's and she in turn knows me and honestly I have no problem with doing so as in Kentucky at least, there has been proven voter fraud!

 

So explain to me again Clyde, why it such a bad thing and why you think it is only being done only to stop minorities voters?

 

Re-read the thread TOG and you'll understand the point of the thread. You're not following correctly.

 

BTW you are incorrect about KY requirements.

You're reading way way way too much into it.

 

I'm sure there use to be a time when ID wasn't required to purchase cigarettes or alcohol, but it was a logical law.

 

If I've always had to show ID, everyone else sure as heck better as well.

 

It sounds to me like you're upset because of the fact that it's being done now. When would be a good time to enact a logical law to not upset Clyde?

Re-read the thread TOG and you'll understand the point of the thread. You're not following correctly.

 

BTW you are incorrect about KY requirements.

 

That's odd, because I've had to as well. So have my parents and my siblings. When my mom didn't have her ID one year, they made her go home.

That's odd, because I've had to as well. So have my parents and my siblings. When my mom didn't have her ID one year, they made her go home.

 

You know how sometimes referees misapply a rule? Same here. A picture ID is not required in KY.

You're reading way way way too much into it.

 

I'm sure there use to be a time when ID wasn't required to purchase cigarettes or alcohol, but it was a logical law.

 

If I've always had to show ID, everyone else sure as heck better as well.

 

It sounds to me like you're upset because of the fact that it's being done now. When would be a good time to enact a logical law to not upset Clyde?

 

Let's make it simple since some of you are having trouble understanding the point of the thread.

 

Let's all agree that a picture ID is OK to be required. Read the rest of the points I mention and then answer the question: why now?

You may want to tell that to the poll workers then...:idunno:

You may want to tell that to the poll workers then...:idunno:

 

They're human. They make mistakes.

Let's make it simple since some of you are having trouble understanding the point of the thread.

 

Let's all agree that a picture ID is OK to be required. Read the rest of the points I mention and then answer the question: why now?

 

I did read them, and think they're incredibly prepostourous. You think it's because they want to keep black voters home. So I'll ask you again Clyde, since you're ignoring my questions. When would be a good time to enact the law and not upset Clyde?

 

It's a sensible law. Haven't you ever while working found a simpler way or more efficient way to do something and wondered why haven't we been doing this all along? It's the same concept.