:eek: :eek: I agree with RM....:isurrender:

 

 

:lol: I know, this must have rocked your world.

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It is inaccurate at the core. Conservatives believe that individuals are smarter and can do a better job of choosing how to spend their resources than government can. Liberals are the ones who believe that people are not smart enough on their own and need government to make decisions for them on how to spend their resources.

 

 

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I could objectively agree with your Conservative description, but then you went and threw in a wildly broadbased, and (IMO) inaccurate description of Liberals. :lol:

 

Fair enough. I think it just is a good example of how we each feel that our philosophy is the "right" one and inherently are prone to skew our views of the "other" side. :thumb:

This doesn't appear to be students with opposing views. This appears to be a teacher trying to impose his/her view.

 

Pure and simple!:thumb:

Actually, I have a problem with the inaccurate statements of each view. Conservatives distrust government----not people in general. Liberals trust government and think that government can make better decisions with our money, etc. than the average Joe. The teacher, if her intent was not to portray one view above the other, should have chosen another venue to make her point. IMHO

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It is inaccurate at the core. Conservatives believe that individuals are smarter and can do a better job of choosing how to spend their resources than government can. Liberals are the ones who believe that people are not smart enough on their own and need government to make decisions for them on how to spend their resources.

 

Actually that's not true. Conservatives believe the individual is smart enough to handle their own fiscal responsibilities and decisions, but too dim-witted to make their own social choices, while Liberals belive the individual is smart enough to handle their own social decisions, but too dim-witted to make fiscal decisions.

 

Then you have the great Libertarians, like myself, who believe the individual is generally smart enough to make both decisions.

This doesn't appear to be students with opposing views. This appears to be a teacher trying to impose his/her view.

 

Acemona is exactly right here. We don't know the context, including what other materials are used with the lesson and what activities he/she provided as part of the lesson. I, too, don't always send home class sets of copies, as they can be used over and over (for multiple sections of the same class or next year) and have no nefarious intent.

 

There is a lot of judgment going on in here about this situation when we know about 2% of the story.

Pure and simple!:thumb:

 

It's certainly NOT pure and simple. We know nothing of the context.

I used to run-off just enough copies to use in class and took them up to use in the next class. It saved on paper and the kids usually just threw them them away within a day or two.

 

I do the same thing with assignments like this. Make 30 copies and use them all day. Typically I will leave them out after the last class and anyone who wants a copy can pick one up. So as many others have said, we don't really know the context to make much of a comment.

 

Add me to the list. Hopefully, we as teachers provide multiple views using multiple sources to allow students to come to their own conclusions.

 

I think about one of the units that I teach on nuclear chemistry. We spend a great deal of time looking at the decision to drop the atomic bombs on Japan. If anyone pulled out ONE of my handouts, they'd certainly think that I had the agenda to CONVINCE my students that one side was right. If they looked at only ONE of my other handouts, they'd think that I was trying to CONVINCE them of the opposite opinion. In reality, my agenda is to ALLOW my students access to a variety of information from which they may draw their own conclusions, not just about the decision to drop the bombs, but about government and nuclear warfare in general.

 

Bottom line...take ONE handout and you will get a very, very skewed view of a lesson.

Come on guys....A little common sense is needed here. Acemona is a history teacher, true blue and gold is a science teacher just as I am. All three of us are saying withold judgement here because you don't have enough information. We have no idea as to the context the teacher used this handout. Just because he/she did not let the students take the handout home means nothing. I have classroom only sets of materials that I don't let students take home. It has nothing to do with parents seeing the material, it is because the school I work for limits the number of copies I can make in a year.

 

This is one of my biggest pet peeves as an educator. Teaching is the only profession where people other than our peers have input on how we do our jobs.

 

Would you question how a cardic surgeon does his/her job? No because unless your a doctor your not qualified to question?

 

Would you question how a civil engineer designs a bridge? No because unless your an engineer your not qualified to question?

 

Why are teachers constantly under fire from people that are not qualified to make decisions on curriculum or how matterials are used to teach the curriculum?

 

OK....sorry I'll get off my soapbox now. Just don't crucify this teacher until you know EXACTLY how that material was used.

Add me to the list. Hopefully, we as teachers provide multiple views using multiple sources to allow students to come to their own conclusions.

 

I think about one of the units that I teach on nuclear chemistry. We spend a great deal of time looking at the decision to drop the atomic bombs on Japan. If anyone pulled out ONE of my handouts, they'd certainly think that I had the agenda to CONVINCE my students that one side was right. If they looked at only ONE of my other handouts, they'd think that I was trying to CONVINCE them of the opposite opinion. In reality, my agenda is to ALLOW my students access to a variety of information from which they may draw their own conclusions, not just about the decision to drop the bombs, but about government and nuclear warfare in general.

 

Bottom line...take ONE handout and you will get a very, very skewed view of a lesson.

 

So true!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! All good teachers will provide multiple points or view and use multiple sources.

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I could objectively agree with your Conservative description, but then you went and threw in a wildly broadbased, and (IMO) inaccurate description of Liberals. :lol:

 

Fair enough. I think it just is a good example of how we each feel that our philosophy is the "right" one and inherently are prone to skew our views of the "other" side. :thumb:

 

Thought you would like that!:thumb: Not sure it is completely inaccurate though, although I was a little "liberal" with my choice of words . Most liberals think that government can do a better job making those decisions for people via increasing taxes and creating "programs" to "help" people. Therefore, people are not "smart" enough to do it on their own.

How it became an issue:

 

A student in Barbara Geerdes' (the teacher in question) AP Government class grew concerned over the teacher's repeated politicization of the classroom and managed to get one of the documents out and brought it home, where he could show it to his parents.

Come on guys....A little common sense is needed here. Acemona is a history teacher, true blue and gold is a science teacher just as I am. All three of us are saying withold judgement here because you don't have enough information. We have no idea as to the context the teacher used this handout. Just because he/she did not let the students take the handout home means nothing. I have classroom only sets of materials that I don't let students take home. It has nothing to do with parents seeing the material, it is because the school I work for limits the number of copies I can make in a year.

 

This is one of my biggest pet peeves as an educator. Teaching is the only profession where people other than our peers have input on how we do our jobs.

 

Would you question how a cardic surgeon does his/her job? No because unless your a doctor your not qualified to question?

 

Would you question how a civil engineer designs a bridge? No because unless your an engineer your not qualified to question?

 

Why are teachers constantly under fire from people that are not qualified to make decisions on curriculum or how matterials are used to teach the curriculum?

 

OK....sorry I'll get off my soapbox now. Just don't crucify this teacher until you know EXACTLY how that material was used.

It's hard not to be judgmental with this one. The teacher and the principal have failed to respond to repeated attempts to contact them in order get their side of the story. One would have to wonder why.

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How it became an issue:

 

A student in Barbara Geerdes' (the teacher in question) AP Government class grew concerned over the teacher's repeated politicization of the classroom and managed to get one of the documents out and brought it home, where he could show it to his parents.

 

It's hard to not to be judgmental with this one, the teacher and the principal have failed to respond to repeated attempts to contact them in order get their side of the story. One would have to wonder why.

 

This sure makes it seem like she had a view she wanted the kids to leave her classroom believing.

 

Liberals, good. Conservatives, bad.

This sure makes it seem like she had a view she wanted the kids to leave her classroom believing.

 

Liberals, good. Conservatives, bad.

It does seem that way. However, I would like to hear her side, if only she'd respond.