3wishes Posted March 13, 2010 Posted March 13, 2010 Would love an update on the ending, hard to tell from the radio but sounded controversial to say the least.
paNDA Posted March 13, 2010 Author Posted March 13, 2010 Neither coach said much about it during the post game interview. They were asked and both said the refs just left the floor and they were confused.
paNDA Posted March 13, 2010 Author Posted March 13, 2010 http://www.khsaa.org/basketball/girls/sweet16/2010/stats/girls14box.htm Stats
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Jim Schue Posted March 13, 2010 Posted March 13, 2010 That was one of the strangest games I've ever watched. I usually don't say much about officiating, but this bunch left a lot to be desired. Both teams' fans were complaining about them on the way out. For one thing, they let one of the Rock girls stay in the game for an SC FT after picking up her fifth foul; she came out in between the first and second. As far as the TO call on the held ball, that was shaky at best. W/re to the final play, I was at the other end of the court, but it looked like it went OOB on Scott Co. on the Rock end with about a second left, and I'm pretty sure that's part of what had the Rock fans upset. But the final 20 seconds or so were ... disorienting ... that's the best way to describe it.
paNDA Posted March 13, 2010 Author Posted March 13, 2010 Jim Schue, are you staying for the final game tonight?
threetimelover Posted March 14, 2010 Posted March 14, 2010 I was there and I must say, I'm still not sure what happened. It was, without a doubt, the poorest officiating job I have ever witnessed in my life. It was absolutely heartbreaking for the referees to take over that game and take any chances whatsoever away from the Rockcastle girls. I don't know who those 3 were, but they should have some repercussions. It started out with Sara Hammond picking up two fouls in the 1st quarter on 2 clean blocks. For those of you that don't know her, she is a legit 6'2" and there was nobody on the floor within 5 inches of her. That completely changed Rockcastle's gameplan because she sat on the bench for the rest of the half. Onto the last minute of the game. As was previously said, Rockcastle girls tied up the Scott girl right in front of Rock's bench. The ref right there called a jump ball. All of a sudden, another ref came running from 3/4 of the floor away, saying that SC's coach got a time out. It was pitiful. The last play went like this. Scott missed a FT, up 3, with 8 seconds to go. Rock ran down the floor. Lawrence had the ball, and started to take a shot, and the ball got knocked out of her hands by a Scott player and went out of bounds. I would guess there was a little over a second or so to go. The clock continued to run and the buzzer went off, even though the ball was out of bounds. The refs looked at each other and the female ref made a gesture like "let's go" and they all three RAN to the tunnel. I mean, they absolutely sprinted out of the gym. Rock should have had the ball, under their own basket, with a second or so on the clock. The coaches and teams, as well as all the announcers, seemed stunned and confused. Everyone knew the game wasn't over, but the officials were gone. It looked like someone in a KHSAA vest was going to go and get them for a second, but then he said for the teams to shake hands. It was so bizarre and horrible and I felt so sorry for the Rockcastle girls and coaches. I hate to think that officials have an agenda regarding the outcome of a game, but there was no way not to think so after watching that game. It was such a shame to have adults take it out of the kids' hands. I'm not saying that Rock would have beaten Scott, but this way we will never know. For an event that bills itself "The Greatest Show in Hoops" this sure was a poor showing.
Clyde Posted March 14, 2010 Posted March 14, 2010 Onto the last minute of the game. As was previously said, Rockcastle girls tied up the Scott girl right in front of Rock's bench. The ref right there called a jump ball. All of a sudden, another ref came running from 3/4 of the floor away, saying that SC's coach got a time out. It was pitiful. I wasn't there and haven't seen the video so let me ask this. Did the coach call the TO before the tie up occurred?
threetimelover Posted March 14, 2010 Posted March 14, 2010 Clyde, I can honestly say I do not know. The tie up occured right in front of the Rock bench, in the Scott backcourt. Everyone was focused on the ball, so no one knows if the SC coach got the time out called in time. It was just more than a little fishy to have the one ref come charging in and change the call after the tie up was called. As an isolated incident, it wasn't a big deal, but coupled with the rest of the calls it was horrible. The game-changing call was when the Scott player lost the ball out of bounds and the female ref called a mysterious phantom foul on Alexander, who never appeared to touch the Scott player. That would have given Rock the ball, down one, with about 20 some seconds to go. Instead it sent Scott to the line.
Clyde Posted March 14, 2010 Posted March 14, 2010 Clyde, I can honestly say I do not know. The tie up occured right in front of the Rock bench, in the Scott backcourt. Everyone was focused on the ball, so no one knows if the SC coach got the time out called in time. It was just more than a little fishy, so have the one ref come charging in and change the call after the tie up was called. . The challenge with the NFHS allowing coaches to call a TO is that it leads to situations like you describe. The official sees the TO request and by the time he/she blows the whistle something has happened. To TO stands. In regards to the official from behind calling it that's not hard to believe. Without seeing the play my guess is that one or two officials were focused on the scrum and this official recognized the TO request.
Clyde Posted March 14, 2010 Posted March 14, 2010 Its my understanding that for the finals the officials are wearing a device that automatically stops the clock when the whistle blows. Maybe it malfunctioned and didn't stop the clock on the whistle. If so, the only way the officials can put time back on the clock is with "definite knowledge" which means they can't estimate. I'm not saying that one of them shouldn't have looked up immediately at the whistle to check the clock. Maybe they just assumed it was going to stop because of the device.
threetimelover Posted March 14, 2010 Posted March 14, 2010 The challenge with the NFHS allowing coaches to call a TO is that it leads to situations like you describe. The official sees the TO request and by the time he/she blows the whistle something has happened. To TO stands. In regards to the official from behind calling it that's not hard to believe. Without seeing the play my guess is that one or two officials were focused on the scrum and this official recognized the TO request. And that makes perfect sense, if that is in fact what happened. Unfortunately, with the track record those 3 had, it seemed to be just another brick in the wall of their incompetence. As I said before, that one isolated instance was not the problem. It was the sum of their parts.
paNDA Posted March 14, 2010 Author Posted March 14, 2010 This is the second year in a row that a 9th Region ref has done the girls final.
threetimelover Posted March 14, 2010 Posted March 14, 2010 Its my understanding that for the finals the officials are wearing a device that automatically stops the clock when the whistle blows. Maybe it malfunctioned and didn't stop the clock on the whistle. If so, the only way the officials can put time back on the clock is with "definite knowledge" which means they can't estimate. I'm not saying that one of them shouldn't have looked up immediately at the whistle to check the clock. Maybe they just assumed it was going to stop because of the device. I have no idea what the KHSAA rulebook says in regards to situations such as that particular one. All I know is that the entire arena, including apparently the Scott County team and coaches, knew that there was time for one more play. Granted it would've been a catch and shoot 3 to tie it, but it was under their own goal. My whole point is it shouldn't have been left to the officials' discretion, and by them running off the court, it was.
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