Debt is not new to this country. It bothers you now?

:lol: This record amount of debt is new to this country and the fact that this administration is making Bush look like a skinflint bothers the heck out of me. I'm shocked that it doesn't bother you.

I think you're being dramatic on the issue of going to jail.

 

I use "tragic" to describe the thousands of lives lost over the last 8 years. That's "tragic." This is potentially a "problem" or a "bad bill." Its far from tragic.

How about the lives lost this year under Obama and the ones that will be lost since he "escalated" the war, as some like to call it? :sssh:

How about the lives lost this year under Obama and the ones that will be lost since he "escalated" the war, as some like to call it? :sssh:

 

He did include them when he said the last 8 years. I may disagree with Clyde on some issues but he's pretty consistent.

He did include them when he said the last 8 years. I may disagree with Clyde on some issues but he's pretty consistent.

Generally speaking, when one hears "the last eight years" in P&R, it's directed towards Bush, so I'm not so sure.

How about the lives lost this year under Obama and the ones that will be lost since he "escalated" the war, as some like to call it? :sssh:

 

Notice I said last 8 years which would be 2001 to today. Don't read too much into it.

Hasn't that been a worry for a while now?

 

Yes, for a long time for some people. I just think China is starting to talk more and more about not lending the US. This bill can't help that process along.

Notice I said last 8 years which would be 2001 to today. Don't read too much into it.

Sometimes it's hard not to. :lol:

Yes, for a long time for some people. I just think China is starting to talk more and more about not lending the US. This bill can't help that process along.

 

I'm going to guess that the US is the number one customer of China.

 

What's in it for them to stop lending to us?

Sometimes it's hard not to. :lol:

 

I've never been anti-Bush. Like every POTUS, I didn't agree with all of his decisions.

I've never been anti-Bush. Like every POTUS, I didn't agree with all of his decisions.

I know, Clyde. I was just joking with you. :thumb:

I'm going to guess that the US is the number one customer of China.

 

What's in it for them to stop lending to us?

 

If we owe them $1 and we print so many $1 bills that they're worth .20 why would they keep giving us dollar bills?

I know its comforting to be niave about this issue. But its in both bills. They are mandating purchasing of insurance - whether you need or not. You are forced the pay for 'protection' from insurance or the government. Over time this will become only the government since single payer (i.e. health care totalitarism) is the final and only acceptable goal. It is like a surf paying the king for protection. It is not capitalism, it is not socialism - it is a fuedal system of paying for protection. It is like the middle ages. And if you don't - off to the stockades.

 

Read the bill. This is not drama.

 

http://thehill.com/blogs/pundits-blog/healthcare/66879-pelosi-bill-jail-for-no-insurance

 

House bill:

 

 

 

he bill describes the penalties as follows:

 

• Section 7203 — misdemeanor willful failure to pay is punishable by a fine of up to $25,000 and/or imprisonment of up to one year.

 

• Section 7201 — felony willful evasion is punishable by a fine of up to $250,000 and/or imprisonment of up to five years.” [page 3]

 

That anyone should face prison for not buying health insurance is simply incredible.

 

And how much will the stay-out-of-jail insurance cost? The Joint Committee noted that “according to a recent analysis by the Congressional Budget Office, the lowest-cost family non-group plan under HR 3862 [the Pelosi bill] would cost $15,000 by 2016.”

 

Obama’s bill only provides subsidies to help pay this enormous sum after families making about $45,000 have paid 8 percent of their income for insurance and after those earning a household income of about $65,000 have kicked in 12 percent.

In my opinion the scam artists in Washington are the people who need to be arrested!