You're being obstinate.

 

"Success" is relative. KY schools have shown that , as a whole, they are not successful.

 

Your definition of "making it work" sounds like its completely different than mine.

 

The "excuses" argument sounds like you're being defensive.

 

The schedule issue is not a magic pill. We also need better teachers. Its a combination of issues. However, we have voted with our pocketbooks and said that we are not willing to pay higher salaries to attract more candidates to the teaching pool so we have to attack what we can. The schedule is what needs to be attacked.

 

The balanced schedule works elsewhere, makes sense to most people, and yet we're making excuses.

 

 

I disagree with both bolded statements.

 

One of our major problems now is that people look at test results and somehow say that we are not doing well. My cousin barely graduated and struggled through some low paying jobs in construction till he got the right mindset and began to work as an electrician apprentice. He has his own business and is a success.

 

But as a HS statistic, he would be a failure and his school a failure.

 

Being a college graduate or even going to college has minimal bearing on whether the school is successful or not.

 

Somehow this country has gotten out of the mindset of working hard everyday in a vocational profession is a bad thing.

Again, excuses. Lets all agree that some schools are filled with children of parents who are not helping. So what? Do we just keep passing the blame?

 

No. We take the givens and work around them.

 

So, schools are to be held responsible for the kid's life in the 7 hours a day they have them.

Parents who have the most affect are given a free pass in your reality. That is the what you are saying?

But I bet your parents expected you to learn no matter when you went to school.

 

You bet. Homework was the first order of business when I got home from school. Same way when my children were in school.

 

And my high school was pretty decent; just not noted as an especially strong academic institution.

You bet. Homework was the first order of business when I got home from school. Same way when my children were in school.

 

And my high school was pretty decent; just not noted as an especially strong academic institution.

 

You want to fix schools, here is your simple formula bolded.

 

Honestly, homework is going by the wayside in schools because as a teacher you have two choices with many, many students.

1) Assign it, they don't do it, they refuse to do it and they fail because of the zeroes they earned on the homework assignments which also contribute to poor test grades.

2) Not assign it and give those students who would end up refusing to take it a better chance of passing with in class work.

I disagree with both bolded statements.

 

One of our major problems now is that people look at test results and somehow say that we are not doing well. My cousin barely graduated and struggled through some low paying jobs in construction till he got the right mindset and began to work as an electrician apprentice. He has his own business and is a success.

 

But as a HS statistic, he would be a failure and his school a failure.

 

Being a college graduate or even going to college has minimal bearing on whether the school is successful or not.

 

Somehow this country has gotten out of the mindset of working hard everyday in a vocational profession is a bad thing.

 

Disagree all you want. You won't need a big room to hold a party with your supporters.

 

By any measure, as a state we suck.

 

Are their successes? Absolutely.

 

We still suck as a state and , quite honestly, its due to too many people making excuses and not being open to new ideas and being willing to pay for better instruction.

So, schools are to be held responsible for the kid's life in the 7 hours a day they have them.

Parents who have the most affect are given a free pass in your reality. That is the what you are saying?

 

The goal is simple: Make education better. As I said previously, there are given problems that the school cannot control. Their goal should be to improve what they can improve - ie the schedule. Why do you keep bring up poor parenting when the issue is how we can improve the education system. No matter what we come up with, the bad parents are still going to be bad parents.

You want to fix schools, here is your simple formula bolded.

 

Honestly, homework is going by the wayside in schools because as a teacher you have two choices with many, many students.

1) Assign it, they don't do it, they refuse to do it and they fail because of the zeroes they earned on the homework assignments which also contribute to poor test grades.

2) Not assign it and give those students who would end up refusing to take it a better chance of passing with in class work.

 

Your honor, I offer Exhibit A as to why we are in the position we are in.

 

What you are saying is "pass them because I don't want to enforce learning."

 

How sad!

 

Fail them if they do not earn advancement. Its that simple.

Disagree all you want. You won't need a big room to hold a party with your supporters.

 

By any measure, as a state we suck.

 

Are their successes? Absolutely.

 

We still suck as a state and , quite honestly, its due to too many people making excuses and not being open to new ideas and being willing to pay for better instruction.

 

Here is honesty.

 

You can pay me all you want and it won't change a lick of how hard I teach. I do my best.

 

But when a kid as a freshmen comes to me with a 1st grade reading level, my goal is to get him up to a 6th grade reading level minimum before he leaves. I do that and I have helped him more than if he passed any state test.

 

But getting him up to that level will be extremely difficult without his willingness (he won't have it or he wouldn't be reading at that level to start) and his parents support (he won't have it).

Your honor, I offer Exhibit A as to why we are in the position we are in.

 

What you are saying is "pass them because I don't want to enforce learning."

 

How sad!

 

Fail them if they do not earn advancement. Its that simple.

 

Where did I say pass them?

 

First I do not fail them. They earn the grade they get. If it is failing, they have failed. In my classes, they get work to do and they don't do it and they earn zeroes. If you think I give free passes, well you are GROSSLY mistaken.

The goal is simple: Make education better. As I said previously, there are given problems that the school cannot control. Their goal should be to improve what they can improve - ie the schedule. Why do you keep bring up poor parenting when the issue is how we can improve the education system. No matter what we come up with, the bad parents are still going to be bad parents.

 

Your logic is so out of balanced.

 

We can't accept bad schools but we can accept bad parenting. WHY????

 

Only fixing any preceived problems in schools will not fix the problem if Johnny shows up with no desire to learn.

 

Here is a real life scenario for you.

 

Elementary teacher, 1st grade has 25 kids in class. Each kid should at the very minimum read 30 minutes a day. Well obviously, the teacher cannot sit down for 12 1/2 hours in a 7 hour school day and read with the children.

 

So, the books go home for the child to read. Parents won't do it with them and the kid does not get to practice their reading and will not learn to read.

 

What does the school do? How does the change in scheduling help this.

 

THESE are the type of problems that teachers are trying to solve while politicians and everyone else is caught up on what looks pretty under the media lights.

There is a KRS statue on the books for parental education negligence or something to that affect. Parents of elementary kids who are not learning and parents who are not making sure the child's homework is being done should be charged with it.

 

It is a continual pattern of this parent and through the butts in a jail cell for a weekend.

 

It keeps continuing and look to remove the child from their home before the kid gets into middle school and high school and is 4-6 grade levels behind.

Your logic is so out of balanced.

 

 

Here is a real life scenario for you.

 

Elementary teacher, 1st grade has 25 kids in class. Each kid should at the very minimum read 30 minutes a day. Well obviously, the teacher cannot sit down for 12 1/2 hours in a 7 hour school day and read with the children.

 

So, the books go home for the child to read. Parents won't do it with them and the kid does not get to practice their reading and will not learn to read.

 

What does the school do? How does the change in scheduling help this.

 

THESE are the type of problems that teachers are trying to solve while politicians and everyone else is caught up on what looks pretty under the media lights.

 

First, the teacher won't have 25 kids with bad parents. Second, ask for volunteers to work with kids after school. Third, require kids that need remedial work in reading to stay after school. If the kids and their parents get tired of staying after school every day, they'll start to do their homework.

First, the teacher won't have 25 kids with bad parents. Second, ask for volunteers to work with kids after school. Third, require kids that need remedial work in reading to stay after school. If the kids and their parents get tired of staying after school every day, they'll start to do their homework.

 

Your assumption is that the kid will be staying afterschool. If a parent won't work with them, they ain't coming to get them either.

 

Volunteers now have to go through background checks and training before they are allowed to work in the school. That takes time.

Your assumption is that the kid will be staying afterschool. If a parent won't work with them, they ain't coming to get them either.

 

Volunteers now have to go through background checks and training before they are allowed to work in the school. That takes time.

 

They would either come to get them or child welfare would get a call. I have great respect for the job that teachers do under very tough conditions, but I just won't accept an "I can't do anything about it" attitude. As far as the time for volunteers, take the time.

They would either come to get them or child welfare would get a call. I have great respect for the job that teachers do under very tough conditions, but I just won't accept an "I can't do anything about it" attitude. As far as the time for volunteers, take the time.

 

I agree on all but especially the bolded. Until we get tough with parents and expect them to make sure their children are taking care of business at home the changes in education we want won't happen.

 

I would bet, read the gambling threads and you would see I don't bet, all or almost all of those on here that have a strong education background had parents that expected to demanded we do our work as students/children.

 

I know I did. There was no other choice.

 

The school I attended was rather irrelevant to the matter.

 

I would hazard a guess TA that you and your children, the school was sorta irrelevant. They were GOING TO LEARN because you would make sure they were learning.