June 24, 200917 yr I don't recall deciding anything. Was this put on the ballot and I missed it? Just like how our system is supposed to work, our elected legislators addressed the situation. I don't remember us voting on Kera when it came about or even voting on the changes in education this year. Do we vote on EVERY ISSUE in this state or does the legislators that YOU AND I put into office decide them?
June 24, 200917 yr The rest of the state didn't create anything for you. The person that made the CHOICE to drink and drive created the problems for you. Through a system that the rest of the state ALLOWED to happen. Just as Pilate couldn't wash his hands of Christ's crucifixiation because he said so, those who allow certain things cannot completely wash their hands because they didn't directly do it. Pilate allowed the cruicifixiation to happen and those that put gambling in place would have a part to play in any societal problems that arise.
June 24, 200917 yr Author Just like how our system is supposed to work, our elected legislators addressed the situation. I don't remember us voting on Kera when it came about or even voting on the changes in education this year. Do we vote on EVERY ISSUE in this state or does the legislators that YOU AND I put into office decide them? This wasn't even voted on by the legislators.
June 24, 200917 yr And your point is? Legalizing alcohol does not equal legalizing drinking and driving.
June 24, 200917 yr Author And your point is?That the system didn't allow anything to happen. I get hit by speeder in a Toyota Tundra on my way home from work and die. Is Georgetown, KY at fault? Or what about the company who built the road? How about the dealership that sold them the Tundra?
June 24, 200917 yr Legalizing alcohol does not equal legalizing drinking and driving. No but legalizing alcohol sure makes it easier to happen. Like legalizing gambling in people's backyards make it easier for them to lose everything at the casinos. Governments shouldn't make it easier for lifes to be ruined, unless there is no way around it. Thanks for helping me make my point.
June 24, 200917 yr Author Legalizing alcohol does not equal legalizing drinking and driving.NO WAY! :clap:
June 24, 200917 yr That the system didn't allow anything to happen. I get hit by speeder in a Toyota Tundra on my way home from work and die. Is Georgetown, KY at fault? Or what about the company who built the road? How about the dealership that sold them the Tundra? BAck to going to the extreme to try and disprove my point. My last post, I indicated that sometimes the negatives are outweighed by the positives. Your point the positives of a manufacturing firm overwhelms the negatives. In gambling at best they are even and I feel the negatives outweight the positives. That simple.
June 24, 200917 yr Author No but legalizing alcohol sure makes it easier to happen. Like legalizing gambling in people's backyards make it easier for them to lose everything at the casinos. Governments shouldn't make it easier for lifes to be ruined, unless there is no way around it. Thanks for helping me make my point. I think it just furthered the point that LBBC Land is a bad place to live.
June 24, 200917 yr I think it just furthered the point that LBBC Land is a bad place to live. That is your two cents. Bet there are many on here that would greatly enjoy it. And your land would end up wanting to come and tax us after you have burnt up all your finances to subsidize your choices.:thumb:
June 24, 200917 yr Author BAck to going to the extreme to try and disprove my point. My last post, I indicated that sometimes the negatives are outweighed by the positives. Your point the positives of a manufacturing firm overwhelms the negatives. In gambling at best they are even and I feel the negatives outweight the positives. That simple. It isn't an extreme if you look at an issue objectively. Here is a negative: In 2007 there were 16.05 fatalities per 100,000 registered vehicles. How many people died in 2007 from gambling? http://www-fars.nhtsa.dot.gov/Main/index.aspx
June 24, 200917 yr Author That is your two cents. Bet there are many on here that would greatly enjoy it. And your land would end up wanting to come and tax us after you have burnt up all your finances to subsidize your choices.:thumb: What are you talking about? I have no morals...we would just take over LBBC Land?
June 24, 200917 yr What are you talking about? I have no morals...we would just take over LBBC Land? Your point is well-taken but since us religious kooks are closely tied to the Republicans and Republicans are well-known to have a desire for a MASSIVE and IMPRESSIVE military, I would think twice about it you craven infidel.:clap::dancingpa
June 24, 200917 yr It isn't an extreme if you look at an issue objectively. Here is a negative: In 2007 there were 16.05 fatalities per 100,000 registered vehicles. How many people died in 2007 from gambling? http://www-fars.nhtsa.dot.gov/Main/index.aspx Let's see financial issues, marriage breakups, illegal acts, civil issues, http://www.nyu.edu/its/statistics/Docs/task_force_4.html Gambling Debts -- Questions were asked relating to the amount of gambling debt when the respondent first sought help, income at that time, and to whom the money was owed. Of the 76 respondents reporting gambling indebtedness when they first sought help, only three stated they owed nothing. Forty-one (54%) owed between $2,000 and $30,000; 12 (16%) owed between $115,000 and $500,000; and one respondent owed over $1 million. Forty of 83 respondents (48%) indicated that at the time they first sought help the total family income was $30,000 or less. Twenty-three (28%) had a total family income from $32,000 to $50,000; five (6%) have a total family income of over $100,000. Illegal Acts -- A number of questions were asked on the survey relating to illegal acts, both of a criminal and a civil nature. Twenty-eight (31%) admitted to being delinquent in paying Maryland state taxes. Fifty-six (62%) admitted to the commission of illegal acts as a result of their gambling addiction. Thirty-four (37%) stole money, 30 (33%) wrote bad checks, 28 (31%) resorted to forgery, embezzlement, mail fraud, or similar crimes. Some committed more than one type of offense. Other civil offenses as a result of their gambling addiction included foreclosures on their homes, being delinquent in child support, and similar offenses. Twenty-one (23%) were charged with criminal offenses. Most of these were for forgery or bad check charges. Nine respondents were put on probation, four served time in jail, and another four were sentenced to jail and probation. Suicide -- Fifty-nine respondents (65%) indicated that they seriously considered committing suicide because of their gambling addiction. The method considered or used for the suicide attempt was by automobile (15), gun (13), pills (8), with the remainder planning on using poison, jumping off a bridge, using a butcher knife, through gas inhalation or by suffocation. Seven respondents made one or more actual suicidal attempts. Ten years ago there were no poker machine or lottery addicts in Gamblers Anonymous. Now compulsive gamblers addicted to these forms of gambling can be found in every meeting. The incidence of female and youthful addicts also would suggest that the change of societal mores with respect to gambling, as well as the availability and accessibility of gambling, are contributing factors in the increase of compulsive gambling. Of importance also is the growing percentage of gamblers who become addicted to games with a smaller initial outlay than that required of casino or horse race gambling. Poker machine and state lottery addicts, which account for one of every five addicts for either first or second preference among types of gambling, are especially conspicuous in their rate of incidence. Poker machines ranked as a first preference for 16% of these respondents, only after horse racing and casino gambling. These games are illegal in the state, and the incidence of poker machine addicts would seem to indicate that the machines are to be found throughout the state. The tolerance of these illegal devices raises the specter of inadequate or selective law enforcement. Initial play on a poker machine is 25 cents, although play can be doubled and redoubled for a cost of $2 per play. New poker machines now also take paper currency, in denominations of up to $50 or $100, thus accelerating the speed at which an addict can lose a paycheck. I stopped at this point cause I got tired of reading it.
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