No...ARod can't lead off next inning. It would be Teixeira if batting out of order is appealed on Texeira (Proper batter ARod called out, Teixeira leads off). If not appealed, the lead off batter would be the batter that follows Teixeira.

 

Although in the scenario he laid out, once the Yankee pitcher took the mound and threw a pitch, the oppostion's appeal opportunity expired (actually it probably expires once the defense leaves the field), Teixeira became the legal batter and the batter following him MUST leadoff the next inning. Do you agree with this? I don't see how you can appeal this the following inning and make Teixeira lead off.

Coop,

Nothing in the NFHS rule book on force play definition but I found the following on Wikipedia.

 

"In baseball, a force is a situation when a baserunner is compelled (or forced) to vacate his time-of-pitch base—and thus try to advance to the next base—because the batter became a runner. A runner at first base is always forced to attempt to advance to second base when the batter becomes a runner. Runners at second or third base are forced only when all bases preceding their time-of-pitch base are occupied by other baserunners and the batter becomes a runner.

 

A forced runner's force base is the next base beyond his time-of-pitch base. Any attempt by fielders to put a forced runner out is called a force play. A forced runner is out (called a force out) when a fielder with the ball touches the runner's force base before the runner reaches that base. A forced runner also may be tagged out in the usual fashion as well; such a tag is still considered a force play if the tag is made before the runner reaches his force base. Any play on the batter-runner before he reaches first base is the same as a force play, though the rules technically do not include this in the definition of a force play."

 

So I was "kind of" right?? :idunno:

1) Legal as long as he touches all of the bases before he crosses home plate.

2) It depends... If the kid asks for time then ties his shoe then he is safe, but if he doesn't say anything to the field umpire then he is out.

3) If the runners cross home plate before he is ruled out then they count... It's the same scenario as hitting a double with someone on second and them scoring, but you try to stretch to a triple and get thrown out long after the runner has scored.

4) Runner gets second base and umpire hears a lot of booing.

5) Hopefully the sun is all we see.

Coop,

Nothing in the NFHS rule book on force play definition but I found the following on Wikipedia.

 

"In baseball, a force is a situation when a baserunner is compelled (or forced) to vacate his time-of-pitch base—and thus try to advance to the next base—because the batter became a runner. A runner at first base is always forced to attempt to advance to second base when the batter becomes a runner. Runners at second or third base are forced only when all bases preceding their time-of-pitch base are occupied by other baserunners and the batter becomes a runner.

 

A forced runner's force base is the next base beyond his time-of-pitch base. Any attempt by fielders to put a forced runner out is called a force play. A forced runner is out (called a force out) when a fielder with the ball touches the runner's force base before the runner reaches that base. A forced runner also may be tagged out in the usual fashion as well; such a tag is still considered a force play if the tag is made before the runner reaches his force base. Any play on the batter-runner before he reaches first base is the same as a force play, though the rules technically do not include this in the definition of a force play."

 

Look up the information on the 4th out and you might find some definitions that explain the situation.

1) Legal as long as he touches all of the bases before he crosses home plate.

2) It depends... If the kid asks for time then ties his shoe then he is safe, but if he doesn't say anything to the field umpire then he is out.

3) If the runners cross home plate before he is ruled out then they count... It's the same scenario as hitting a double with someone on second and them scoring, but you try to stretch to a triple and get thrown out long after the runner has scored.

4) Runner gets second base and umpire hears a lot of booing.

5) Hopefully the sun is all we see.

 

Previous posts address these, but . . . . .

 

1) When the ball is dead (such as after HR), you cannot go back to re-touch a base if you have already touched the following base. Not sure why, just part of the rules. No HR, batter is out.

 

2) Correct. In my scenario, he didn't ask for time. Point being that a walk only entitles you to safely reach first base, not wander around the base at your discretion.

 

3) Nope, incorrect. This is an appeal play. You are talking about a time-play out (trying to stretch double to triple). The appealed (and apparent) "4th out" actually takes precedence over the third out of the inning, therefore the BR never even legally reached 1B, so no runners are allowed to score.

 

4) Right on the booing, wrong on the base award. Umpire is part of the field in this instance (same as thrown or pitched ball, but different for batted ball if it strikes umpire prior to fielder having opportunity to catch it) and there is no provision to provide safety to the runner. He is out.

Although in the scenario he laid out, once the Yankee pitcher took the mound and threw a pitch, the oppostion's appeal opportunity expired (actually it probably expires once the defense leaves the field), Teixeira became the legal batter and the batter following him MUST leadoff the next inning. Do you agree with this? I don't see how you can appeal this the following inning and make Teixeira lead off.

 

You are correct. That's why I threw that part in there.

Although in the scenario he laid out, once the Yankee pitcher took the mound and threw a pitch, the oppostion's appeal opportunity expired (actually it probably expires once the defense leaves the field), Teixeira became the legal batter and the batter following him MUST leadoff the next inning. Do you agree with this? I don't see how you can appeal this the following inning and make Teixeira lead off.

 

Agreed...I just laid out the whole scenario. The poster did not indicate whether Teixeira was appealed as an improper batter or not. If absence of this information is taken as they didn't appeal, you are correct.

So I was "kind of" right?? :idunno:

 

Short answer...YES

Although in the scenario he laid out, once the Yankee pitcher took the mound and threw a pitch, the oppostion's appeal opportunity expired (actually it probably expires once the defense leaves the field), Teixeira became the legal batter and the batter following him MUST leadoff the next inning. Do you agree with this? I don't see how you can appeal this the following inning and make Teixeira lead off.

 

The defense's right to appeal expires when all eight members of the defense that are in fair territory (catcher is not in fair territory to begin with) cross into foul territory.

Although in the scenario he laid out, once the Yankee pitcher took the mound and threw a pitch, the oppostion's appeal opportunity expired (actually it probably expires once the defense leaves the field), .

 

I don't believe they lose their right to appeal when they leave the field. The OBR rule says they can appeal prior to the first pitch to the next batter for either team.

 

R2 and R3. 2 outs. Wrong batter hits a gapper scoring both runners. He is thrown out trying to stetch his hit into a triple for the third out. Team leaves the field. Scorekeeper now notices that there was a BOO. As long as the first pitch to the next batter has not been thrown they can claim BOO. No runs score. Batter who should have been batting is declared out for the third out. Inning now over.

 

In FED, they lost the chance to appeal when the team left the field.

I don't believe they lose their right to appeal when they leave the field. The OBR rule says they can appeal prior to the first pitch to the next batter for either team.

 

R2 and R3. 2 outs. Wrong batter hits a gapper scoring both runners. He is thrown out trying to stetch his hit into a triple for the third out. Team leaves the field. Scorekeeper now notices that there was a BOO. As long as the first pitch to the next batter has not been thrown they can claim BOO. No runs score. Batter who should have been batting is declared out for the third out. Inning now over.

 

In FED, they lost the chance to appeal when the team left the field.

 

Clyde,

You are correct...I was referencing NFHS (which is what I deal with 90% of the time). Glad you pointed that one out.

Clyde,

You are correct...I was referencing NFHS (which is what I deal with 90% of the time). Glad you pointed that one out.

 

I knew that. I just pointed it out since there is a difference and because I was MLB players in my example.