Some would argue that Minister Farrakhan has done much more good for the black community than harm.

Some would be wrong. If Minister Farrakhan had a full compliment of marbles, he could have been a strong force for good for all Americans.

 

Instead, his racism and nuttiness only allow him to sound lucid for five to ten minutes at a time but for those brief moments, one can see how much unfulfilled potential this man had. Then he launches into an anti-Semitic tirade or begins babbling about the Mother Ship.

 

Watch the following video and then tell me how much Farrakhan's followers benefit from his leadership.

 

This is the man that Jeremiah Wright calls a friend and to whom Barack Obama's church of 20 years handed a lifetime achievement award.

 

 

 

Exactly!:thumb:

 

Do you feel the same way about Ralph Reed, Pat Robertson, the late Jerry Falwell? They too promoted a "political" agenda throught their faith.

Do you feel the same way about Ralph Reed, Pat Robertson, the late Jerry Falwell? They too promoted a "political" agenda throught their faith.

Do you honestly believe that Ralph Reed, Pat Robertson, and Jerry Falwell belong in the same nutty category as Jeremiah Wright and his friend Louis Farrakhan? If you have not already done so, please watch the Farrakhan video.

 

Giving a lifetime achievement award to a nutcase like Farrakhan is the equivalent of one of the people you mentioned giving the Rev. Fred Phelps a humanitarian award for attending so many funerals.

 

There is nothing wrong with religious people being involved in politics, whether they are liberal or conservative. However, there is something wrong when a political cause gives birth to a religion, which happened in the case of Black Liberation Theology. To people like Wright and Farrakhan, Jesus, Mohammed, Allah, and God are just tools to advance their extremist political agendas.

Some would be wrong. If Minister Farrakhan had a full compliment of marbles, he could have been a strong force for good for all Americans.

 

Instead, his racism and nuttiness only allow him to sound lucid for five to ten minutes at a time but for those brief moments, one can see how much unfulfilled potential this man had. Then he launches into an anti-Semitic tirade or begins babbling about the Mother Ship.

 

Watch the following video and then tell me how much Farrakhan's followers benefit from his leadership.

 

This is the man that Jeremiah Wright calls a friend and to whom Barack Obama's church of 20 years handed a lifetime achievement award.

 

What a hateful, lunatic, bigot!

There's nothing there to benefit from. How sad.

Do you honestly believe that Ralph Reed, Pat Robertson, and Jerry Falwell belong in the same nutty category as Jeremiah Wright and his friend Louis Farrakhan? If you have not already done so, please watch the Farrakhan video.

 

Giving a lifetime achievement award to a nutcase like Farrakhan is the equivalent of one of the people you mentioned giving the Rev. Fred Phelps a humanitarian award for attending so many funerals.

 

There is nothing wrong with religious people being involved in politics, whether they are liberal or conservative. However, there is something wrong when a political cause gives birth to a religion, which happened in the case of Black Liberation Theology. To people like Wright and Farrakhan, Jesus, Mohammed, Allah, and God are just tools to advance their extremist political agendas.

 

 

I'm not giving virtue to either side to be honest.

 

I never said there was anything wrong with political involvement.

 

Black Liberation Theology is not a religion it is just that, a theology. It is an interpretive tool of faith. Just like Fundamentalism is not a religion, it is an approach to faith.

 

As to your last sentence, the same could be said for the "Christian ministers" I listed. They too seem to use God as a tool to advance their perspective.

I'm not giving virtue to either side to be honest.

 

I never said there was anything wrong with political involvement.

 

Black Liberation Theology is not a religion it is just that, a theology. It is an interpretive tool of faith. Just like Fundamentalism is not a religion, it is an approach to faith.

 

As to your last sentence, the same could be said for the "Christian ministers" I listed. They too seem to use God as a tool to advance their perspective.

Maybe I have missed something, but I do not believe that Robertson, Falwell, or Reed have ever claimed that God is on the side of white people or that he will someday kill off the other races on the behalf of whites.

 

Supporting legislation that you believe is consistent with your religious beliefs is not the same as fabricating a religion whose God will someday commit genocide on your behalf. Wright, Farrakhan, Cone, and Phelps are extreme examples of people warping religion in the pursuit of a hate filled agenda. It is wrong to put Robertson, Falwell, and Reed into the same basket.

Maybe I have missed something, but I do not believe that Robertson, Falwell, or Reed have ever claimed that God is on the side of white people or that he will someday kill off the other races on the behalf of whites.

 

Supporting legislation that you believe is consistent with your religious beliefs is not the same as fabricating a religion whose God will someday commit genocide on your behalf. Wright, Farrakhan, Cone, and Phelps are extreme examples of people warping religion in the pursuit of a hate filled agenda. It is wrong to put Robertson, Falwell, and Reed into the same basket.

 

No, the crusades they have fought have not been against race (at least not recently) as much as they have been against those whose doctrine is different. Falwell did blame 9/11 as God's wrath on the Gay hugging US, though he later recanted when public opinion went against him.

 

Recently a Southern Baptist pastor (name escapes me now) called for a prayer of destruction upon Barry Lynn and Americans United for Seperation of Church and State because they had turned his politicking in to the IRS.

 

W.A. Criswell, longtime pastor of First Baptist Dallas and large supporter of Falwell, actually spoke for segregation from the pulpit during the 50's. If I get time I'll do some more digging that's even more current.

 

So I guess in answer, yes, you may have missed something. :lol:

No, the crusades they have fought have not been against race (at least not recently) as much as they have been against those whose doctrine is different. Falwell did blame 9/11 as God's wrath on the Gay hugging US, though he later recanted when public opinion went against him.

 

Recently a Southern Baptist pastor (name escapes me now) called for a prayer of destruction upon Barry Lynn and Americans United for Seperation of Church and State because they had turned his politicking in to the IRS.

 

W.A. Criswell, longtime pastor of First Baptist Dallas and large supporter of Falwell, actually spoke for segregation from the pulpit during the 50's. If I get time I'll do some more digging that's even more current.

 

So I guess in answer, yes, you may have missed something. :lol:

Yes, I missed any previous mention of the unnamed Southern Baptist minister and any mention of Rev. Criswell in your previous post. I responded to the three names that I saw because I know that their sermons have been nowhere near as offensive as those of Rev. Wright and his friend Louis Farrakhan.

 

There is no moral equivalency between the group that you mentioned originally and Wright, Cone, and Farrakhan. I do not dispute the fact that one can assemble a team from the religious right that would be equally as despicable as Wright, Cone, and Farrakhan but the team you drafted is not on that same level.

Yes, I missed any previous mention of the unnamed Southern Baptist minister and any mention of Rev. Criswell in your previous post. I responded to the three names that I saw because I know that their sermons have been nowhere near as offensive as those of Rev. Wright and his friend Louis Farrakhan.

 

There is no moral equivalency between the group that you mentioned originally and Wright, Cone, and Farrakhan. I do not dispute the fact that one can assemble a team from the religious right that would be equally as despicable as Wright, Cone, and Farrakhan but the team you drafted is not on that same level.

 

In your opinion. From my seat, they are the other side to the coin. :thumb:

In your opinion. From my seat, they are the other side to the coin. :thumb:

:lol: Right. Maybe Ralph Reed and Pat Robertson are just keeping white folk's version of the Mother Plane/Ship/Wheel a secret until the Farrakhan doomsday machine is unleashed. At least we poor white people will not be defenseless.

Some would be wrong. If Minister Farrakhan had a full compliment of marbles, he could have been a strong force for good for all Americans.

 

 

You're confusing the issue. Minister Farrakhan has caused many men in the black community to be responsible men, fathers, and husbands. For all of you old guys on here that complain directly or indirectly about black men and black women being on welfare, I would think you would give a man credit for trying to change that. I'm not saying he should be followed. I'll leave that up to those in his community. I am saying that while you can question is mind and disagree with his statements, he has a positive effect on the community he serves.

You're confusing the issue. Minister Farrakhan has caused many men in the black community to be responsible men, fathers, and husbands. For all of you old guys on here that complain directly or indirectly about black men and black women being on welfare, I would think you would give a man credit for trying to change that. I'm not saying he should be followed. I'll leave that up to those in his community. I am saying that while you can question is mind and disagree with his statements, he has a positive effect on the community he serves.

I have acknowledged that Farrakhan says some things that make sense. He speaks very eloquently against drug use and black on black violence. That does not change the fact that the man is an extreme racist and a few fries short of a Happy Meal and it does not change the fact that Barack Obama's church, Trinity United Church of Christ presented an award to Farrakhan for "lifetime achievement."

 

If is difficult to believe that Democrats are pitching Obama as a bridge between the races when his pastor is so closely associated with the Nation of Islam and its lunatic leader. Maybe the Mother Ship will beam up Minister Farrakhan and Rev. Wright and keep them quiet until after the election. :lol:

I have acknowledged that Farrakhan says some things that make sense. He speaks very eloquently against drug use and black on black violence. That does not change the fact that the man is an extreme racist and a few fries short of a Happy Meal and it does not change the fact that Barack Obama's church, Trinity United Church of Christ presented an award to Farrakhan for "lifetime achievement."

 

 

My point was a simple one. The Minister has had a positive impact on his community .

My point was a simple one. The Minister has had a positive impact on his community .

So was my point. The poisonous venom spat out of Farrakhan's mouth benefits noone. Anybody who believes that a spaceship is orbiting the earth waiting to destroy an entire race is a nutcase who should be universally denounced by all sane people of all races and religions. Instead, Rev. Wright handed Farrakhan an award.

You're confusing the issue. Minister Farrakhan has caused many men in the black community to be responsible men, fathers, and husbands. For all of you old guys on here that complain directly or indirectly about black men and black women being on welfare, I would think you would give a man credit for trying to change that. I'm not saying he should be followed. I'll leave that up to those in his community. I am saying that while you can question is mind and disagree with his statements, he has a positive effect on the community he serves.

That all means very little when he's mixing in messages to hate whites. How can you just sweep that under the carpet?