May 3, 200818 yr Interesting that NKY claimed they could not get qualified and good professors without hiring from the homosexual community? Did not realize that there were few good and qualified heterosexual professors out there. So, if I want to put all 13,000 Pendleton Countians on my health insurance I should be allowed? From what was said in the paper, it has NOTHING to do with homosexual but the NKU President indicated that they could not get good and qualified professors without this benefit. Which is hogwash. So, the state should share in the cost of me putting all of the county on my health insurance? LBBC: Do you think a gay person feels the love of Christ when Christians like yourself fight to prevent them from getting something as basic as healthcare insurance? Point out to me where I said they should not have healthcare insurance. My point has been that the NKU President indicated that he could not field a good staff without these benefits suggesting he is unable to find good professors from those who are heterosexual. That is hogwash as I said before. While you are wanting to cast a stone my direction, :sssh:, I renew my request for you to show me where I are saying they should be denied basic healthcare insurance.
May 3, 200818 yr Point out to me where I said they should not have healthcare insurance. My point has been that the NKU President indicated that he could not field a good staff without these benefits suggesting he is unable to find good professors from those who are heterosexual. That is hogwash as I said before. While you are wanting to cast a stone my direction, :sssh:, I renew my request for you to show me where I are saying they should be denied basic healthcare insurance. So clarify it for me, are you happy that the gay partners of NKU faculty will have access to health insurance?
May 3, 200818 yr So clarify it for me, are you happy that the gay partners of NKU faculty will have access to health insurance? If the point of giving gay partners health insurance is that NKY can not find adequate professors that are not gay, I believe that is horse hockey. On a secondary note, that I am sure is going to be addressed by a mod that it won't be discussed in this thread, are you happy with God's handling of homosexual behavior in the Old Testamant and the times in the NT that it is addressed as a horrible sin?
May 3, 200818 yr If the point of giving gay partners health insurance is that NKY can not find adequate professors that are not gay, I believe that is horse hockey. On a secondary note, that I am sure is going to be addressed by a mod that it won't be discussed in this thread, are you happy with God's handling of homosexual behavior in the Old Testamant and the times in the NT that it is addressed as a horrible sin? Again any time you narrow the pool of talent you will by definition have less talent / not more. You speak to this daily when you talk about open enrollment. You didn't answer the second question. Good thing or not that sinners are getting access to health insurance?
May 3, 200818 yr Again any time you narrow the pool of talent you will by definition have less talent / not more. You speak to this daily when you talk about open enrollment. You didn't answer the second question. Good thing or not that sinners are getting access to health insurance? Everyone (which by the way would be sinners since we all sin) has an opportunity to get health insurance. Make yourself employable to a career that offers it.
May 3, 200818 yr Point out to me where I said they should not have healthcare insurance. My point has been that the NKU President indicated that he could not field a good staff without these benefits suggesting he is unable to find good professors from those who are heterosexual. That is hogwash as I said before. While you are wanting to cast a stone my direction, :sssh:, I renew my request for you to show me where I are saying they should be denied basic healthcare insurance. I hope your comments are not pointed at my stance. (Felt I had to ask that) You haven't responded to my post. Is it okay if they pay for the health care plan out of paycheck? (Like we do in Virginia)
May 3, 200818 yr Everyone (which by the way would be sinners since we all sin) has an opportunity to get health insurance. Make yourself employable to a career that offers it. Maybe, but if I am gay and LBBC, the Christian, doesn't want me to have health insurance provided through my significant others employer. Am I really to believe that he has my best interest in mind when he shares his faith?
May 3, 200818 yr Maybe, but if I am gay and LBBC, the Christian, doesn't want me to have health insurance provided through my significant others employer. Am I really to believe that he has my best interest in mind when he shares his faith? I really dont think Christians ever have other people's best interest in mind. They have their internal motives no matter what they say.
May 3, 200818 yr I really dont think Christians ever have other people's best interest in mind. They have their internal motives no matter what they say. Or they could just have the Kentucky Constitution in mind. State supplemented health insurance policies undermine the constitutional amendment passed a few years back. Yes the partner at the school is paying some of the premium but the premium they pay is at a reduced price because state tax dollars supplement the cost to help employees get great rates.
May 3, 200818 yr I really dont think Christians ever have other people's best interest in mind. They have their internal motives no matter what they say. Ouch. Take that Christians.
May 3, 200818 yr I have some practical objections to this. What legally constitutes a domestic partner? I'm sure it is spelled out clearly in NKU's contract with their insurance companies. Can you just pick someone of the same sex and say they are your domestic partner? Are these benefits also provided to hetrosexual partners? (I would assume so, but I'm not sure.) If anybody knows it please share.
May 3, 200818 yr I really dont think Christians ever have other people's best interest in mind. They have their internal motives no matter what they say. We are a devious bunch. We discuss these things at our secret meetings that we have on Sunday mornings. :fire:
May 3, 200818 yr Or they could just have the Kentucky Constitution in mind. State supplemented health insurance policies undermine the constitutional amendment passed a few years back. Yes the partner at the school is paying some of the premium but the premium they pay is at a reduced price because state tax dollars supplement the cost to help employees get great rates. Is that how it works? I always thought it was a "group rate" from the insurance company because they knew they were insuring a group "en masse." I didn't know they were getting state kickbacks too. Therefore the state only payed the "employee" part and the family (spouse, children, partner in this case) were paying the "add on" for family policy. If you can show me where state dollars are paying for the Misses and junior then I can see your point to some extent.
May 3, 200818 yr Is that how it works? I always thought it was a "group rate" from the insurance company because they knew they were insuring a group "en masse." I didn't know they were getting state kickbacks too. Therefore the state only payed the "employee" part and the family (spouse, children, partner in this case) were paying the "add on" for family policy. If you can show me where state dollars are paying for the Misses and junior then I can see your point to some extent. http://personnel.ky.gov/NR/rdonlyres/CE7838A0-9193-490A-99A0-91018CBAACD0/0/2008Handbook.pdf on page 11 you'll see that the bigger the plan, i.e. if you have a parent plus or couple package, the state of Kentucky contributes a larger amount of money towards your premiums than if you bought just an individual package.
May 3, 200818 yr http://personnel.ky.gov/NR/rdonlyres/CE7838A0-9193-490A-99A0-91018CBAACD0/0/2008Handbook.pdf on page 11 you'll see that the bigger the plan, i.e. if you have a parent plus or couple package, the state of Kentucky contributes a larger amount of money towards your premiums than if you bought just an individual package. I'm pretty dense. All I deciphered from that page was that this was the cost coming out of your pay check depending upon the option. I didn't see anywhere that stated this is the cost paid by the state and this is the cost paid by the employee. So maybe the problem lies in the state paying beyond the employee. In Henry County Schools in Virginia, they only pay my wife's premium. We have a family policy but she has that difference (roughly $800 per month) deducted from her check. So in regards to NKU and KY, maybe they would save money if they only paid for the employees. But if the practice is to pay for the households as well then does the employee have right to add on any significant other in the household? It is a sticky wicket. I know what I think would be the right thing to do but I don't know that it is the legal thing to do. Thanks for the data HT.
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