Saw an ending to a game this week that made me wonder what would happen in this senario:

 

 

Home team is leading by 9 runs in the bottom on the fifth inning with runners on second and third. There are less than two outs. The batter singles to the outfield, scoring what appears to be the game ending run. Everyone else is caught up in the acton; however, and the third base coach sends the runner from second home, who is thrown out by the visiting team. The visiting team appeals the lead runner, claiming he missed home plate. The umpire calls him out. Question:

 

What about the second runner who was thrown out? My first instinct was to say he should be returned to third, as the game ending run who apparantly scored "froze" everything, so his run or out would not have counted. But the more I think about it, if the lead runner missed home plate, the umpire would not call the game over due to the 10 run rule until the visiting team left the playing field, then an appeal could not be made. So I guess this would be an unusual double-play. Is this the right call?

My guess is two outs.

I would see this as an inning-ending double play and the score would remain 9-0 at the end of the inning. The original 3B runner did not legally score and was out on appeal, so his run does not count. The appeal would have no impact on the play on the runner that was on 2B originally and his out would stand.

 

Wonder what the reason was why the runner on whom no play was being made (original 3B runner) would have missed home plate. Must have been pretty darn distracted or something. :confused:

I think it would be like passing a runner on the basepaths. Called out ending the inning with a 9-0 score, on to the top of the sixth. Since there was already two outs.

 

As cooperstown said, I'm still puzzled who the runner could miss home plater, being that a throw wasn't coming.

It's a double play.

Saw an ending to a game this week that made me wonder what would happen in this senario:

 

 

Home team is leading by 9 runs in the bottom on the fifth inning with runners on second and third. There are less than two outs. The batter singles to the outfield, scoring what appears to be the game ending run. Everyone else is caught up in the acton; however, and the third base coach sends the runner from second home, who is thrown out by the visiting team. The visiting team appeals the lead runner, claiming he missed home plate. The umpire calls him out. Question:

 

What about the second runner who was thrown out? My first instinct was to say he should be returned to third, as the game ending run who apparantly scored "froze" everything, so his run or out would not have counted. But the more I think about it, if the lead runner missed home plate, the umpire would not call the game over due to the 10 run rule until the visiting team left the playing field, then an appeal could not be made. So I guess this would be an unusual double-play. Is this the right call?

 

You are correct. After the successful appeal of the runner missing the plate, 2 outs have occurred on the play.

 

NFHS Baseball Rules 8-2-6j..."End of Game. If any situation arises which could lead to an appeal by the defense on the last play of the game [in this case, the 10 run rule would cause the game to end], the appeal must be made while an umpire is still on the field of play."

 

After the successful appeal, the offensive team is not winning by 10 runs and the game continues.

The second runner coming home is out by the tag. Then the appeal makes the first runner out. Double Play.

Sounds like the umpire made a bad decision on the appeal call because the game was over and he put himself and his crew in a bad situation.

Sounds like the umpire made a bad decision on the appeal call because the game was over and he put himself and his crew in a bad situation.

 

How so? The first runner did not legally score, thus there was no run-rule situation, and the second runner was out at the plate, so no run there either.

I think it would be like passing a runner on the basepaths. Called out ending the inning with a 9-0 score, on to the top of the sixth. Since there was already two outs.

 

As cooperstown said, I'm still puzzled who the runner could miss home plater, being that a throw wasn't coming.

 

 

This play didn't really happen, I just saw a game where the game-ending run scored from third, but the defensive team or the runner on second didn't realize it, and that runner was thrown "out" at home. The umpire even called the runner out, then saw the score was 10-0 and called the game. That made me wonder what would happen if the lead runner was appealled and called out.

 

 

And yes, I too wonder what would be going on in a baserunner's head to cause him to miss home plate when there wasn't even a play being made on him. Saw it happen twice last year, once on a wild pitch. The runner trotted in from third, and promptly stepped right over home plate and went to the dugout. Everyone at the ballpark saw it, and of course, the runner was out on the appeal!

I would see this as an inning-ending double play and the score would remain 9-0 at the end of the inning. The original 3B runner did not legally score and was out on appeal, so his run does not count. The appeal would have no impact on the play on the runner that was on 2B originally and his out would stand.

 

Wonder what the reason was why the runner on whom no play was being made (original 3B runner) would have missed home plate. Must have been pretty darn distracted or something. :confused:

 

I was calling a Babe Ruth game last summer. The bases were loaded when the batter walked. The runner that was on 3rd base did not touch Home plate, and was called out on appeal. I had thought I had seen it all until that happened.

Here is a point that I believe that needs to be mentioned. Just because the runner crossed the plate, the ball is still in play. The umpire does not stop play until the action on the field has stopped. Then before time is called or the defensive team has walked off the field they have the right to appeal. So as I understand it, double play, score is 9-0 and the game continues.

Here is a point that I believe that needs to be mentioned. Just because the runner crossed the plate, the ball is still in play. The umpire does not stop play until the action on the field has stopped. Then before time is called or the defensive team has walked off the field they have the right to appeal. So as I understand it, double play, score is 9-0 and the game continues.

 

Yes, that's correct it would be an inninig double play. But after play has stopped time doesn't have to be called for the defensive team to make the appeal. You have live and dead ball appeals. My other point is I wouldn't want to be the umpire who is going to catch all the heat from making a call like that and not getting out of there in 5 innings.

Yes, that's correct it would be an inninig double play. But after play has stopped time doesn't have to be called for the defensive team to make the appeal. You have live and dead ball appeals. My other point is I wouldn't want to be the umpire who is going to catch all the heat from making a call like that and not getting out of there in 5 innings.

 

Ok. I was watching the Mason Montgomery game the other night and a fly ball to center field and a kid on second. He noticablly left the bag before the ball was caught. So, they throw the ball back into the infield and over to the third basemen and he tags the runner and the umpire doesn't make a call (safe or out). So, they give the ball back to the pitcher, get on the rubber, step-off throw it back over to the third basemen and call him out. Why, couldn't the ump have just called him out on the first appeal?

Ok. I was watching the Mason Montgomery game the other night and a fly ball to center field and a kid on second. He noticablly left the bag before the ball was caught. So, they throw the ball back into the infield and over to the third basemen and he tags the runner and the umpire doesn't make a call (safe or out). So, they give the ball back to the pitcher, get on the rubber, step-off throw it back over to the third basemen and call him out. Why, couldn't the ump have just called him out on the first appeal?

 

An appeal sould be clearly intended as an appeal, either by a verbal request by a player or an act that unmistakably indicates an appeal to the umpire. While it sounds as the latter would this would have been the case in the scenario you outlined, perhaps the umpire did not feel so and that the defensive was simply making an actual play on the runner (maybe trying to get him overrunning the bag?). Or, the umpire could have just screwed up by not allowing the appeal the first time. :sssh: