I have two.....

 

1) Why on a two shot free throw, can't you substitute until after the first shot. Why not before?

 

2) Do you think, High Schools will move players up, off the bottom block or leave the same. Is there an advantage/disadvantage, for leaving or changing.

 

Thanks....:thumb:

1) I think it is to speed up games

 

2) I do not know if they will make that change but they should.

1) I think it is to speed up games

 

2) I do not know if they will make that change but they should.

Not sure I follow. Foul is called, player have to go to lane and lineup. First freethrow is shot and then game stopped again, to let a player enter.

 

Why not bring the player in, when the foul is called and before the first shot?

Speed up game on the first one. Hold all the subs and send them in and out at one time instead of stopping the free throw for 1-2 subs on the first free throw and then 1-2 free throws after the 2nd one.

 

Your second question was posed to Larry Boucher when this rule was put into place at a rules clinic. He said that night they wanted to clean up the physical play and traffic in front of the shooter.

1) I think it is to speed up games

I thought the same thing.

Not sure I follow. Foul is called, player have to go to lane and lineup. First freethrow is shot and then game stopped again, to let a player enter.

 

Why not bring the player in, when the foul is called and before the first shot?

I think its to keep from having players come in before and after the 1st shot. It prevents a bit of a delay from having to sound the horn twice.

I think it is to prevent calling a foul, then letting subs enter ( 25 seconds to get situated). Shooting the first foul shots, and then letting some more subs enter ( another 20 seconds).

 

That is what I was told the reason for the rule was. It will take an Hour and seven minute game down to an hour and 4 minute game, but only if there are alot of subs on a lot of free throws.

 

But the rule I wish they would would change is where the Players stand on FT. I think the "D" is at a disadvantage underneath the block. Especially when players are allowed to shove them even farther down underneath the goal and nothing is called.

I think most coaches would like to see the players moved up the lane on FTs. It appears from the many games that I've watched that no one is teaching the art of blocking out on a FT. Its a simple move but , apparently, its not being taught or not being absorbed.

I think most coaches would like to see the players moved up the lane on FTs. It appears from the many games that I've watched that no one is teaching the art of blocking out on a FT. Its a simple move but , apparently, its not being taught or not being absorbed.

I thought that was a basic learned skill. I'm no basketball player, but even I know that.

I thought that was a basic learned skill. I'm no basketball player, but even I know that.

 

Not really. The natural tendancy is to go towards the ball ie step into the lane. You're dead at that point because all you can do is get it as it comes through the net. Take note at the next game you attend. Rarely will you see the player on the low block step "up the lane" to prevent his man from pushing him under the rim. It will almost always be "into the lane."

Not really. The natural tendancy is to go towards the ball ie step into the lane. You're dead at that point because all you can do is get it as it comes through the net. Take note at the next game you attend. Rarely will you see the player on the low block step "up the lane" to prevent his man from pushing him under the rim. It will almost always be "into the lane."

 

Right on. :thumb:

 

Your first step has to be across the block, or the low person is not getting the rebound.

The college level moved them up above the block and it's working out well for them. I look for the high school level to look at this also. I think the problem in high school is that the kids that will be up close to the shooter. They are trying to protect the free throw shooter by keeping them away from them as much as possible. They have done surveys and looked at statistics about the advantage/disadvantage on rebounding free throws and it shows that the defense gets it more times than the offense where it is at now in high school, so I would say they will leave it at that for now. The college level has a lot bigger players and it was a good move for them to move it up, but don't know if the need is there at the high school level right now. I'm sure it will be voted on, but when they spoke about it last year, every thing wanted to be left alone, but after 1 year of seeing the college level do it, maybe some minds will change and maybe not.

The substituting on free throws is to keep a coach from sending in one player before the player shoots the first shot, then before they get set, send in another or 2, and really icing the shooter, then after the first shot finally gets taken, do the same thing, send in one sub, then send another to the table then another one, after 2 minutes, the shooter finally gets to shoot and all of this is done without a timeout. So they changed the rules to let the shooter shot the first one without being iced by a smart coach. All subs come in and then the 2nd shot is taken. Great rule.

I agree that the way it is now, the defense gets the rebound the majority of the time. However if they move them up the lane the defense will get the ball an even bigger majority of the time. Thus penalizing missed FT more often.

I'm not sold on the fact it gives the defense an advantage. I don't have the stats but my general impression at the college level there have been more offensive rebounds than in past years.

 

Boucher has state tournament data that shows the defense gets a huge majority of the rebounds from bottom spots and that is a major reason the rule hasn't been changed for high school