The articles that you posted are about Hospitals banning smoking and the other is about NKY Chamber of Commerce wanting a “Healthy” workforce. It seems like you are in favor of a total ban? No bowling alleys, bingo halls, bars, etc….?

 

I listed that as a choice in the poll to have a wide range of choices.

So I should live my life, greatly limiting where I can take my daughter out to eat because someone else wants a freedom that enfringes DIRECTLY on mine? By the time the market adjusts my daughter will be grown and gone.

 

I can turn the TV off. I can stop the inhalation of smoke unless I tell my daughter to hold her breath for the 30 minutes of the meal.

 

I would not have a problem with certain types of fat to be declared illegal in foods. Some fat is needed and good for the body to work correctly.

Life is about choices. Every decision involves weighing risk and benefit. I'm personally tired of the whining done by so many about how their life is limited because there aren't more laws to protect them. To say that not being able to eat at a certain restaurant because they have a smoking section or not being able to go to a ball game because there might be a smoker in the seat in front of you diminishes your life is ridiculous. Try living in Haiti for a year on a Haitian salary and then we can discuss limited lifestyles.

 

Sorry for the rant, but I've had enough of the government protecting me from myself.

So I should live my life, greatly limiting where I can take my daughter out to eat because someone else wants a freedom that enfringes DIRECTLY on mine? By the time the market adjusts my daughter will be grown and gone.

 

I can turn the TV off. I can stop the inhalation of smoke unless I tell my daughter to hold her breath for the 30 minutes of the meal.

 

I would not have a problem with certain types of fat to be declared illegal in foods. Some fat is needed and good for the body to work correctly.

 

I take it, then, that you were in agreement with the Supreme Court's ruling that school-sanctioned prayer at a high school graduation was illegal. Because that, of course, forced even one student who didn't like prayer to either get up and leave their graduation or sit through it uncomfortably while everyone else's head was bowed.

 

There is NO difference.

 

I would like you to express for me what LEGAL freedom of yours has been infringed. Noone is exercising freedoms here. They are simply smoking. To call it a "freedom" presumes that we are granted something by a government.

 

You and your daughter have two choices: Restaurant A, which permits smokers. Restaurant B, which does not. Which do you choose? If you want the food bad enough, you might go to A, but you are still making a conscious choice and you are valuing the food over the smoke. It is NO different than your choice whether to turn the TV off or not.

 

What you are complaining about, LBBC, is a limitation of your CHOICES based upon smoke, not a limitation of your FREEDOMS. And your choices are limited every day, in every way, in everything you do. Until you see smoking as the same as these other issues, you will not be convinced.

 

And I totally, 100%, iron-clad didsagree with you that the market is slow to react. The market, as has been proven time and time again, is about instantaneous reaction. That is why this country is still great.

I say let them smoke in there home with the door and windows closed if they own their home.

 

That's just silly!

So I should live my life, greatly limiting where I can take my daughter out to eat because someone else wants a freedom that enfringes DIRECTLY on mine? By the time the market adjusts my daughter will be grown and gone.

 

I can turn the TV off. I can stop the inhalation of smoke unless I tell my daughter to hold her breath for the 30 minutes of the meal.

 

I would not have a problem with certain types of fat to be declared illegal in foods. Some fat is needed and good for the body to work correctly.

 

True that. You can chose not to watch or listen to something you can't chose not to breath and still live. I'm so used to places that have banned smoking that I almost can't stand to go into places that haven't.

I spend a lot of time in Florida and it seems that their smoking restrictions are more sensible and fair than what Ohio, New York and other states have. They ban smoking in restaurants/bars that food sales are 60% or more than their overall sales (alcohol). That gives people more choices than a 100% ban at any indoor facility which is ridiculous and very difficult to enforce. Ohio has not enforced their ban very well.

Can anyone identify a single place that they HAVE to go to that permits smoking?

I take it, then, that you were in agreement with the Supreme Court's ruling that school-sanctioned prayer at a high school graduation was illegal. Because that, of course, forced even one student who didn't like prayer to either get up and leave their graduation or sit through it uncomfortably while everyone else's head was bowed.

 

There is NO difference.

 

 

Are you really saying there is NO difference between someone listening to a prayer and my daughter going home physically sick?

Can anyone identify a single place that they HAVE to go to that permits smoking?

 

Charitable bingo halls. Part of my responsibility as a coach to work the charitable bingo halls that donate funds to our program.

 

I guess I could just quit my job so that others can smoke.

 

I guess that is what you guys want. I should not work so that I am not around smoke and not go out anywhere so I won't get sick from cigarette smoke.

 

Cool, I will be a welfare dad.:thumb:

 

I would like you to express for me what LEGAL freedom of yours has been infringed. Noone is exercising freedoms here. They are simply smoking. To call it a "freedom" presumes that we are granted something by a government.

 

 

My legal freedom to go out in public and not get sick because of the DIRECT ACTIONS of others.

 

I guess you are not for the rules put on restaurants to help protect you from becoming sick because of health reasons? I mean why should I HAVE to wash my hands after using the restroom and returning to work? How does that enfringe on any of your freedoms?

Are you really saying there is NO difference between someone listening to a prayer and my daughter going home physically sick?

 

I am saying there is no difference between a person who has to choose between sitting at their graduation and listening to an unwanted prayer, and sitting at a desirable restaurant and inhaling unwanted smoke.

Charitable bingo halls. Part of my responsibility as a coach to work the charitable bingo halls that donate funds to our program.

 

I guess I could just quit my job so that others can smoke.

 

I guess that is what you guys want. I should not work so that I am not around smoke and not go out anywhere so I won't get sick from cigarette smoke.

 

Cool, I will be a welfare dad.:thumb:

 

You are getting fantastical.

 

What you are complaining about, LBBC, is a limitation of your CHOICES based upon smoke, not a limitation of your FREEDOMS. And your choices are limited every day, in every way, in everything you do. Until you see smoking as the same as these other issues, you will not be convinced.

 

And I totally, 100%, iron-clad didsagree with you that the market is slow to react. The market, as has been proven time and time again, is about instantaneous reaction. That is why this country is still great.

 

MAYBE a handful of industries but overall, it is not. How long did it take baseball to react to the steroid issue?

 

And on the first thing, it is about my freedom to simply be able to go out in public and enjoy life. Instead that freedom is enfringed upon by the direct actions of another.

You are getting fantastical.

 

It was meant to be tongue-in-cheek.:jump:

My legal freedom to go out in public and not get sick because of the DIRECT ACTIONS of others.

 

I guess you are not for the rules put on restaurants to help protect you from becoming sick because of health reasons? I mean why should I HAVE to wash my hands after using the restroom and returning to work? How does that enfringe on any of your freedoms?

 

You shouldn't. It doesn't. I don't agree with those mandatory regulations.