Now, Kingfish considers himself a Christian. But, then, he has always believed that a pitcher full of beer was less a sin than a mouth full of gossip.

Outstanding point... :thumb:

In reality, I suppose any of us could find a building, put up twenty-five card tables with four chairs around each table and apply for a license. We should be successful since the law sets no limit on the number of "establishments".

 

To carry an extreme a little further, when we open, we will, of course serve liquor by the drink. But, since we need 70% food sales, we will need to offer food. How about, peanut butter and crackers and cheese and crackers? We would advertise in our menus that, the price of each drink shall be allotted 25% to the drink and 75% to the "food". That allows us to far exceed the 70%.

 

Now, many will find this post ridiculous. However, under the law, as proposed and as worded, it would be a legal establishment. Any takers?

Add a few bowls of peanuts, pretzels, goldfish, Chex Mix and pillow mints to your menu, and I think your food-to-beverage percentages hold up nicely... :lol:

Kingfish, Kentucky has a minimum price law, that you would be required to meet. I ran a hotel once that also had a bar and restaurant. The owner (remember this was in the early 70's) wanted to have a happy hour with all you can eat and drink for one price. I believe the cost was 4/5 dollars, but anyway I tried to make him understand that it was against the law but of course he was like you. Well after about three months of doing this, one of the ABC officer's comes in puts down his 4/5 dollars and proceeded to start drinking. Well around a month or two later we got a rather large fine and were required to stop serving liquor for three days. Seems that the gentlemen drank enough liquor that put the price of what we served him under the state minimum price. If you do what you suggest, you would still be required to have a minimum price on your total drink sales and my guess is not too many people will order cheese and crackers at the price you would need to sell them to get your food sales to 70%. Good idea, won't work with the ABC, those guys play fair, but tough......

Kingfish, Kentucky has a minimum price law, that you would be required to meet. I ran a hotel once that also had a bar and restaurant. The owner (remember this was in the early 70's) wanted to have a happy hour with all you can eat and drink for one price. I believe the cost was 4/5 dollars, but anyway I tried to make him understand that it was against the law but of course he was like you. Well after about three months of doing this, one of the ABC officer's comes in puts down his 4/5 dollars and proceeded to start drinking. Well around a month or two later we got a rather large fine and were required to stop serving liquor for three days. Seems that the gentlemen drank enough liquor that put the price of what we served him under the state minimum price. If you do what you suggest, you would still be required to have a minimum price on your total drink sales and my guess is not too many people will order cheese and crackers at the price you would need to sell them to get your food sales to 70%. Good idea, won't work with the ABC, those guys play fair, but tough......

 

Maybe it will work and maybe it will not work, Mr. Theoldguy. We will see. However, if it doesn't work, it will not be because of the example you cited.

 

My business plan is much different. Among other matters, Calhoun's Saloon will not offer a blanket price for all you can eat and all you can drink. I don't think that has ever been implied. You pay for each "item" individually and, using a bottle of beer as an example, your price will be allotted 75%-25%. It will be stated when the restaurant opens and it will be well stated in the menu and around the facility. There will be no misinterpretation and there will be no loopholes to be used by the gestapo from the ABC (or from our neighboring restaurants who aren't doing as well. Anbd, of course, you, as a customer, can eat your plate of peanut butter and crackers and/or cheese and crackers. Want another Pabst Blue Ribbon? Fine. You get more food staples.

 

Also, keep in mind that I have lined up some minority ownership so complainers need to be careful or we may have a special Al Sharpton autograph session.

 

Don't underestimate this plan. Remember We have 45 new precincts within which choose a location.

No...and religion should have nothing to do with it.....drinking is not immoral..

No...and religion should have nothing to do with it.....drinking is not immoral..

 

Amen, Mr. RockPride. Regardless of what results, Calhoun's Saloon will be a establishment built on a solid foundation of traditional Judeo-Christian tenets. We will also challenge our "competition" to do the same.

Maybe it will work and maybe it will not work, Mr. Theoldguy. We will see. However, if it doesn't work, it will not be because of the example you cited.

 

My business plan is much different. Among other matters, Calhoun's Saloon will not offer a blanket price for all you can eat and all you can drink. I don't think that has ever been implied...

 

As I understand it, you would still be required to meet the state minimum price per drink. Your price for cheese and crackers would be high to the point that no one would be coming to your establishment.

...You tend to forget that this measure was hastily drafted for the purpose of saving a near empty mall located in rural Boyd County. The result of this haste is to make each and every precinct in the county- up "hollers" and around hills and all over the rural landscape- a wet precinct. It is possible that the "framers" intended this result. I doubt it. I would not give them that much credit for "smarts". Nonetheless, a potentially overly wet county is what has come from the effort...

 

First, when you constantly refer to Boyd County as "wet", you are misrepresenting the facts. A "wet" county allows packaged sales of alcohol as well as by the drink and there is typically no restrictions on by the drink sales. This is NOT what the voters approved so if you must rail against the mandate of the people of Boyd County, at least use the proper terminology.

 

Second, the new management of the former Cedar Knoll Mall has worked to improve the economic viability of the business. They have replaced the roof and made numerous other improvements for structural integrity as well as aesthetics. They have successfully maintained the previous anchor tenants and filled the previously vacant achor spots. Previous ownership did a very poor job of managing the property and greatly misjudged the traffic the mall would generate.

 

The new ownership realizes that to attract more people to the area, there needs to be a reason to come. With the new theater now open, there is. One thing many people like to do when going out for the evening is enjoy a meal at a decent restaurant. Currently, the only restaurant around the mall is a Burger King or drive a little ways up the road to Bob Evans. I like Bob Evans, but when the Missus and I go out for the evening, we enjoy eating at Outback, Texas Roadhouse, O'Charley's and the like more often than Bob Evans. All of these names I just mentioned WILL NOT locate in an area where alcohol sales are not permitted. That is just a fact. Now that more people are coming to the mall, there are more reasons for retailers to open new stores and eateries. If you ever go out to eat in Ashland, you know there are plenty of consumers out there to support more establishments. The current management has followed through on their statements thus far, they should be given the chance to do so again.

First, when you constantly refer to Boyd County as "wet", you are misrepresenting the facts. A "wet" county allows packaged sales of alcohol as well as by the drink and there is typically no restrictions on by the drink sales. This is NOT what the voters approved so if you must rail against the mandate of the people of Boyd County, at least use the proper terminology.

 

Second, the new management of the former Cedar Knoll Mall has worked to improve the economic viability of the business. They have replaced the roof and made numerous other improvements for structural integrity as well as aesthetics. They have successfully maintained the previous anchor tenants and filled the previously vacant achor spots. Previous ownership did a very poor job of managing the property and greatly misjudged the traffic the mall would generate.

 

The new ownership realizes that to attract more people to the area, there needs to be a reason to come. With the new theater now open, there is. One thing many people like to do when going out for the evening is enjoy a meal at a decent restaurant. Currently, the only restaurant around the mall is a Burger King or drive a little ways up the road to Bob Evans. I like Bob Evans, but when the Missus and I go out for the evening, we enjoy eating at Outback, Texas Roadhouse, O'Charley's and the like more often than Bob Evans. All of these names I just mentioned WILL NOT locate in an area where alcohol sales are not permitted. That is just a fact. Now that more people are coming to the mall, there are more reasons for retailers to open new stores and eateries. If you ever go out to eat in Ashland, you know there are plenty of consumers out there to support more establishments. The current management has followed through on their statements thus far, they should be given the chance to do so again.

 

Mr. Goherd96, please understand that we are not in conflict. I believe that you are making the mall people look more admirable and astute than is warranted but that is fine. I suppose "wet" is really in the eyes of the beholder just as is the term "moist" is open to interpretation.

 

I must say that I am surprised by all the restaurant traffic in your area. Since most see it as a economically depressed area, I am surprised that so many find the extra $40-$50 dollars to eat out so often. Actually, it bodes well for Calhoun's Saloon. We may consider more than one location since, regardless of terminology, every inch of Boyd County is "damp".

 

At present, we are considering rural areas outside Ashland and Catlettsburg since there are no real zoning issues to hamper our efforts. I appreciate your concern about our pricing. We will have everything covered.

Mr. Goherd96, as have several others, mentioned a "minimum pricing statute" but no one has specifically cited one.