May 23, 200719 yr I would welcome your establishment with open arms as long it means there is a Red Lobster down the street I can eat at now. Thank you for your endorsement. My plan is not designed to compete with Red Lobster. We will actually "compliment" each other. Red Lobster does not offer peanut butter, cheese, and crackers. And, we don't offer fish.
May 23, 200719 yr Thank you for your endorsement. My plan is not designed to compete with Red Lobster. We will actually "compliment" each other. Red Lobster does not offer peanut butter, cheese, and crackers. And, we don't offer fish. :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: That was good.
May 23, 200719 yr Old Kingfish entered this discussion as a lark. However, after careful consideration, he believes that it has a great deal of potential. Now, Kingfish considers himself a Christian. But, then, he has always believed that a pitcher full of beer was less a sin than a mouth full of gossip. Also, he figures that a goodly number of his fellow Christians, many of them Southern Baptists, supported this "moist" proposal either by so voting or by refusing to vote. Therefore, Kingfish will look into finding locals in the Boyd County area to front for him and to pursue the matter on his behalf. For a number of reasons, Kingfish must remain unnamed for the present although he is willing to do the major part of the bankrolling of the endeavor. As a possible name for the watering hole (with peanut butter, cheese, and crackers as food staples) might be "Calhoun's Saloon". This, of course, would be in honor of his personal attorney (mouthpiece), Algonquin J. Calhoun. What do you Boyd Countians think?
May 23, 200719 yr ^Either your drunk or you are an axe murderer because you are now referring to yourself in the third person.
May 23, 200719 yr Neither, Mr. Ram. Of course I may claim to be of split personalities. That way, the powers that be in Boyd County would have a more difficult time refusing my application because I would be a minority. All kidding aside, I will have a strong element of minority ownership. The Kingfish is no fool. He knows how the system works.
May 24, 200719 yr What does a bottle of beer cost? How about $3.00? Using that, $2.25 will be marked up as food and $.75 for the beer. We will still make plenty of money since we will concentrate on cheap saltines, cheap peanut butter, and cheap cheese. With draft beer and mixed drinks, we will do even better since the cost per drink will be far under what we are charging. The truth is that we are providing a good place for drinkers to drink and socalize. Hamburgers and pork chops merely get in the way. We are, in reality, providing a watering hole. We really don't care if you partake of the food anyway- even though it is specifically included in the price of your drink. It will work. Is anyone ready? It could be a big moneymaker for an athletic booster club. The local ABC officer would have some serious problems with your creative accounting.
May 24, 200719 yr So let me ask this: If the law allows only restaurants to serve and won't allow bars or carryouts, why would the locals have such a problem with it ? Surely people are not that offended by seeing someone of age have a beer with his dinner... You're kidding, right? Because there are people out there watching TV and listening to the radio and reading the newspapers looking for things to get offended over. Most of the people in this state seem to have pretty thin skin, and love telling you how you should live your life.
May 24, 200719 yr The local ABC officer would have some serious problems with your creative accounting. Of course the local ABC boy would have trouble with my setup, Mr. Schue. However, I disagree with your use of the phrase "creative accounting". There are no better food staples than good old peanut butter and cheese. Most nutritionists highly recommend both foods. The crackers add a fine supplement. It cannot be denied that I am selling acceptable food. The ABC boy may complain but, under the present provisions of the measure passed yeterday, he cannot win. It is my understanding that Boyd County has 47 separate voting precincts. Since 2 in downtown Ashland are already wet, it means that the voters, in their infinite wisdom, have added 45 new wet precincts. Since the ABC boy will not be able to discriminate among precincts, that means at least 45 new restaurants (1 in each precinct at a minimum) must be approved if the applicants meet minimum requirements. The minimum requirements, if we can believe the newspaper, are seating for 100 people and 70% food sales. My 25 card tables and 100 folding chairs (4 for each table) plus my clearly defined method for charging customers (all purchases of products are allocated 75% to food staples and 25% to the drink) are clearly within the rules. It doesn't matter whether the customers eat the peanut butter, cheese, and crackers or not. They paid for them and they are, therefore, part of the "ticket". Actually, if they don't eat any food, it merely allows me to make a higher profit. After all, there is no rule that the 70% must be consumed food. Nonetheless, it will be available for consumption. If I follow through with my idea, there is no way under the proposed rules that I can be denied a license. And, with my emphasis on minority ownership, I would dare the powers to alter the rules just to hurt Calhoun's Saloon. Such an action could well result in a major discrimination suit against Boyd County and Ashland. Shoot, the Blazer Tomcats could end up as the Kingfish Tomcats. Now, wouldn't that be something?
May 24, 200719 yr Of course the local ABC boy would have trouble with my setup, Mr. Schue. However, I disagree with your use of the phrase "creative accounting". There are no better food staples than good old peanut butter and cheese. Most nutritionists highly recommend both foods. The crackers add a fine supplement. It cannot be denied that I am selling acceptable food. The ABC boy may complain but, under the present provisions of the measure passed yeterday, he cannot win. It is my understanding that Boyd County has 47 separate voting precincts. Since 2 in downtown Ashland are already wet, it means that the voters, in their infinite wisdom, have added 45 new wet precincts. Since the ABC boy will not be able to discriminate among precincts, that means at least 45 new restaurants (1 in each precinct at a minimum) must be approved if the applicants meet minimum requirements. The minimum requirements, if we can believe the newspaper, are seating for 100 people and 70% food sales. My 25 card tables and 100 folding chairs (4 for each table) plus my clearly defined method for charging customers (all purchases of products are allocated 75% to food staples and 25% to the drink) are clearly within the rules. It doesn't matter whether the customers eat the peanut butter, cheese, and crackers or not. They paid for them and they are, therefore, part of the "ticket". Actually, if they don't eat any food, it merely allows me to make a higher profit. After all, there is no rule that the 70% must be consumed food. Nonetheless, it will be available for consumption. If I follow through with my idea, there is no way under the proposed rules that I can be denied a license. And, with my emphasis on minority ownership, I would dare the powers to alter the rules just to hurt Calhoun's Saloon. Such an action could well result in a major discrimination suit against Boyd County and Ashland. Shoot, the Blazer Tomcats could end up as the Kingfish Tomcats. Now, wouldn't that be something? I'm telling you, stuff like this has been tried before.
May 24, 200719 yr I'm telling you, stuff like this has been tried before. Really? How about a verifiable example that is comparable to my situation? You tend to forget that this measure was hastily drafted for the purpose of saving a near empty mall located in rural Boyd County. The result of this haste is to make each and every precinct in the county- up "hollers" and around hills and all over the rural landscape- a wet precinct. It is possible that the "framers" intended this result. I doubt it. I would not give them that much credit for "smarts". Nonetheless, a potentially overly wet county is what has come from the effort. Therefore, I am merely working within the rules to bring a restaurant meeting all of the requirements to one of the remaining 45 precincts in the county. My idea, "stuff" as you call it, is not folly. There are several lawyers associated with BGP. Hearsay and scooterbob are obviously attorneys as is, I believe, leatherneck. I'm sure there are more. I would be interested in their thoughts concerning my "business plan". I didn't create the "moist" measure and I don't think those who did used much foresight or insight in doing so. However, I, and I hope others, will use what has been passed for my benefit. That, Mr. Schue, is called capitalism. And, of course, if the rules are changed or strangely interpreted so as to injure me and my "partners", we'll address that at the proper time and in the proper way.
May 24, 200719 yr Really? How about a verifiable example that is comparable to my situation? I've worked in a lot of restaurants and seen some very questionable tactics used in order to get around the 70% figure. Trust me, something along these lines has been tried before. And besides, I think there are laws on the books preventing mass discounting of beer/alcohol and running beer/meal "combos." You tend to forget that this measure was hastily drafted for the purpose of saving a mall located in rural Boyd County. The result of this haste is to make each and every precinct in the county a wet precinct. It is possible that the "framers" intended this result. I doubt it. I would not give them that much credit for "smarts". Nonetheless, a potentially overly wet county is what has come from the effort. Therefore, I am merely working within the rules to bring a restaurant meeting all of the requirements to one of the remaining 45 precincts in the county. My idea, "stuff" as you call it, is not folly. there are several lawyers associated with BGP. Heresay and scooterbob are obviously attorneys as is, I believe, leatherneck. I'm sure there are more. I would be interested in their thoughts concerning my "business plan". I didn't create the "moist" measure and I don't think those who did used much farsight or insight in doing so. However, I, and I hope others, will use what has been passed for my benefit. That, Mr. Schue, is called capitalism. And, of course, if the rules are changed or strangely interpreted so as to injure me and my "partners", we'll address that at the proper time and in the proper way. I like the creativity, but no matter how the resolution was worded, it still has to follow established state laws.
May 24, 200719 yr I've worked in a lot of restaurants and seen some very questionable tactics used in order to get around the 70% figure. Trust me, something along these lines has been tried before. And besides, I think there are laws on the books preventing mass discounting of beer/alcohol and running beer/meal "combos." I like the creativity, but no matter how the resolution was worded, it still has to follow established state laws. Your rebuttal has a lot of might bes and could bes in it. You may be right but, from your post, you are merely guessing. Until I see those laws and have them interpreted by Mr. Calhoun I'll assume that I am correct. I am surrendering nothing but, at worst, I may need to do a little modifying. That won't be too hard. Remember, I should have a shot at at least 45 licenses. It shouldn't be too hard to get one. I don't buy into the spin that there are a goodly number of restaurants chomping at the bit to locate in economically deprived Boyd County. The only one of which I have been made aware is Calhoun's Saloon. I believe you are a newspaper man. All of this should make you a good story. I'll also, at the proper time, treat you to a plate of peanut butter, cheese, and crackers and a fine bottle of the brew of your choice.
May 24, 200719 yr Your rebuttal has a lot of might bes and could bes in it. You may be right but, from your post, you are merely guessing. Until I see those laws and have them interpreted by Mr. Calhoun I'll assume that I am correct. I am surrendering nothing but, at worst, I may need to do a little modifying. That won't be too hard. Remember, I should have a shot at at least 45 licenses. It shouldn't be too hard to get one. I don't buy into the spin that there are a goodly number of restaurants chomping at the bit to locate in economically deprived Boyd County. The only one of which I have been made aware is Calhoun's Saloon. Good luck and more power to you! Still, spend some time reading the KRS statutes before putting your plan in motion.
May 24, 200719 yr The Kentucky Revised Statutes would, of course, be reviewed by Mr. Calhoun. He will also be familiar with the rules adopted with the "moist" measure. Fortunately, the state legislature is not presently in session to further revise the statutes. I am one of those who believes that Kentucky would function better if the state legislature met two days every sixty years rather than sixty days every two years. Of course, that is a subject for another time. I appreciate your interest, Mr. Schue.
May 25, 200719 yr I thank the Daily Independent for its May 24, 2007 editorial which fully supports the premise of my proposed business endeavor. I also appreciate the fact that I have 45 more wet precincts from which to choose a location.
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