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4th Region: Week 10

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1) Warren Central (17-2) - 2/3 61-36 W #3 South Warren, 2/6 77-46 W #5 Greenwood    
Previous Rank: 1    
This Week: 2/9 at #8 Allen County-Scottsville, 2/13 vs. North Hardin    
    
2) Clinton County (18-3) - No Games    
Previous Rank: 2    
This Week: 2/10 vs. #11 Russell County, 2/12 vs. Somerset, 2/13 at #9 Barren County    
    
3) Greenwood (18-6) - 2/2 84-82 W Bowling Green, 2/3 61-62 L at Owensboro Catholic, 2/6 46-77 L at #1 Warren Central, 2/7 69-66 W Hopkins County Central (at Lyon County)    
Previous Rank: 5    
This Week: 2/10 at #14 Cumberland County, 2/13 at #8 Allen County-Scottsville, 2/14 vs. #15 Metcalfe County    
    
4) Bowling Green (15-10) - 2/2 82-84 L at #5 Greenwood, 2/3 61-59 OT W at Owensboro, 2/5 61-45 W at McLean County, 2/6 47-42 W at #3 South Warren, 2/7 65-63 W at Caldwell County    
Previous Rank: 6    
This Week: 2/9 vs. #16 Todd County Central, 2/12 vs. Apollo    
    
5) South Warren (13-7) - 2/3 36-61 L at #1 Warren Central, 2/6 42-47 L #6 Bowling Green    
Previous Rank: 3    
This Week: 2/9 at Ohio County, 2/13 vs. Grayson County, 2/14 at Meade County    
    
6) Glasgow (11-11) - 2/3 56-89 L at Caverna, 2/6 75-90 L at #10 Allen County-Scottsville    
Previous Rank: 4    
This Week: 2/9 vs. John Hardin, 2/10 at #10 Monroe County, 2/13 at LaRue County    
    
7) Logan County (14-9) - 2/3 87-55 W #18 Warren East, 2/6 70-47 W at #16 Todd County Central    
Previous Rank: 9    
This Week: 2/9 at University Heights, 2/13 vs. #13 Franklin-Simpson, 2/14 at Daviess County    
    
8. Allen County-Scottsville (11-10) - 2/2 90-84 OT W Macon County (TN), 2/3 66-56 W #14 Cumberland County, 2/6 90-75 W #4 Glasgow, 2/7 56-50 W #8 Barren County    
Previous Rank: 10    
This Week: 2/9 vs. #1 Warren Central, 2/10 at #12 Russellville, 2/13 vs. #3 Greenwood    
    
9) Barren County (14-10) - 2/2 65-60 W #14 Cumberland County, 2/3 51-50 W at #13 Franklin-Simpson, 2/6 70-47 W Ohio County, 2/7 50-56 L at #10 Allen County-Scottsville    
Previous Rank: 8    
This Week: 2/10 at #15 Metcalfe County, 2/13 vs. #2 Clinton County    
    
10) Monroe County (13-8) - 2/2 56-54 W Taylor County, 2/6 77-68 W at #7 Russell County, 2/7 69-58 W at Nelson County    
Previous Rank: 11    
This Week: 2/9 at Red Boiling Springs (TN), 2/10 vs. #6 Glasgow, 2/12 at Campbellsville, 2/13 at #18 Warren East    
    
11) Russell County (13-9) - 2/3 84-73 W #15 Metcalfe County, 2/6 68-77 L #11 Monroe County, 2/7 66-63 W Corbin (at Berea)    
Previous Rank: 7    
This Week: 2/9 vs. #14 Cumberland County, 2/10 at #2 Clinton County, 2/13 vs. Adair County    
    
12) Russellville (15-8) - 2/2 69-64 W at Hancock County, 2/6 61-58 W at #13 Franklin-Simpson    
Previous Rank: 12    
This Week: 2/10 vs. #8 Allen County-Scottsville, 2/13 vs. #16 Todd County Central    
    
13) Franklin-Simpson (6-12) - 2/3 50-51 L #8 Barren County, 2/6 58-61 L #12 Russellville    
Previous Rank: 13    
This Week: 2/10 vs. #16 Todd County Central, 2/13 at #7 Logan County    
    
14) Cumberland County (8-13) - 2/2 60-65 L at #8 Barren County, 2/3 56-66 L at #10 Allen County-Scottsville, 2/6 54-42 W at #15 Metcalfe County    
Previous Rank: 14    
This Week: 2/9 at #11 Russell County, 2/10 vs. #3 Greenwood, 2/12 vs. Clay County (TN), 2/13 vs. Marion County    
    
15) Metcalfe County (9-13) - 2/3 73-84 L at #7 Russell County, 2/6 52-54 L #14 Cumberland County, 2/7 59-68 L at Campbellsville    
Previous Rank: 15    
This Week: 2/10 vs. #9 Barren County, 2/12 vs. Hart County, 2/14 at #3 Greenwood    
    
16) Todd County Central (7-16) - 2/5 63-62 W Stewart County (TN), 2/6 47-70 L #9 Logan County, 2/7 73-64 W at #18 Warren East    
Previous Rank: 16    
This Week: 2/9 at #4 Bowling Green, 2/10 at #13 Franklin-Simpson, 2/13 at #12 Russellville, 2/14 vs. University Heights    
    
17) Foundation Christian Academy (14-7) - 2/3 72-31 W Hopkinsville Heritage, 2/7 65-74 L Whitesville Trinity    
Previous Rank: 17    
This Week: 2/12 vs. Whitesville Trinity, 2/13 vs. Fort Campbell    
    
18) Warren East (1-22) - 2/3 55-87 L at #9 Logan County, 2/7 64-73 L #16 Todd County Central    
Previous Rank: 18    
This Week: 2/13 vs. #10 Monroe County    

Notes:
-Possibly the most consequential event of the week took place off the court.  At long, long last, Cade Button has gained eligibility for Clinton County.  A year ago, Button averaged 23.1 PPG, and entered this year as the most prolific returning scorer.  He played the first game of the year for Metcalfe County, dropping in 19 points at Southwestern on December 2nd.  By the end of the week, he had transferred to Clinton County.  But the saga dragged on for two months, to the point that you began to really wonder if Button would get to play his senior year at all.  But he is eligible and Clinton County has six scheduled games to try to get him up to speed before postseason play begins.  Clinton County could in theory play as many as nine if they can get them scheduled - it'll be interesting to see if they try to grab some additional games to increase team chemistry. Button will probably eventually be in the starting lineup for a team that goes seven deep currently, which will give the Bulldogs more depth than they feature pretty much any year.  Of the eight that presumably will be in the rotation, seven are seniors.  William Beaty averages 19.5 PPG, Jaxson Mason averages 16.6 PPG.  There's just one ball, but adding a guy who can fill it up like Button - they've got several legitimate scorers.  Is it enough to push for their first region crown in 66 years? Stay tuned.

-There were few district races that were as gripping as the 14th District's was.  Entering this week, technically no slows were decided.  Warren Central was a solid favorite for the top seed, despite their loss to Bowling Green before the snow, at 3-1 in district play.  Both Greenwood and South Warren were tied at 2-2, having split their season series, both still playing Warren Central and Bowling Green this week, and Bowling Green needing help at 1-3. 
--Monday's game between host Greenwood and Bowling Green was ELECTRIC.  Like their first matchup, Greenwood got out to a strong start, grabbing a 15-5 lead midway through the first.  But Bowling Green chipped away, closing to 23-21 at quarter's end, and seizing momentum, taking a 40-38 halftime lead.  They held that lead throughout the third, until a sequence at the end that proved very impactful for the week.  Trailing by two, Greenwood drove for a layup attempt as the time ran down on the quarter.  Bowling Green's lone senior, Muhire,  appeared to block the shot, but another defender was whistled for the foul.  Muhire was immediately T'd up before the echo of the first foul's whistle had even died.  No idea what allegedly happened for that, but it was very consequential because in the first half, Muhire had accidentally contacted a defender reaching across the baseline while they were trying to inbound, which is a technical. So the one at the end of the third quarter caused him to be ejected, which would be a two game suspension (more on that later).  Greenwood made three of four free throws to take a 59-58 lead after the third.  In the fourth, Greenwood clawed to a five point lead mid quarter, but a Purple run put them back in front, and a Tre Thomas three made it 80-77 Bowling Green as the game moved under a minute remaining.  Greenwood had the ball down 80-79 with less than 30 seconds left, but had spent their final timeout.  Inbound was then stolen by Bowling Green and Anthony Davis laid it in for an 82-79 advantage.  Greenwood came down, drew a foul.  Tuttle made the first, and unintentionally missed the second.  York got the rebound for Greenwood and was ALSO fouled.  He knocked down both free throws to set up the finish.  The Purples got into the frontcourt, and a baseline drive led to a pass underneath the basket to an open Anthony Davis, two feet in front of the rim.  His potentially game-winning attempt with roughly 6 seconds left was off the back iron.  York rebounded for Greenwood, passed to Tuttle who found a driving Summers who banked in a runner from the left wing as the buzzer sounded to lift Greenwood to an 84-82 win.  That win cemented Greenwood as no worse than 3rd in the district, and gave them their first season sweep over Bowling Green since the 2006/07 season (just their fourth ever), and their first back to back wins over Bowling Green since winning eight in a row (a streak that ended in 2008). Bowling Green had won 101 consecutive regulation games when they'd scored 82 or more (they lost a couple OT games in that span), and neither team had lost a regulation game since 2002 under those circumstances.  Just a massive, massive win.
--Tuesday's matchup between South Warren and Warren Central? Far less dramatic.  Central's calling card this year has been their pressure defense, a suffocating attack that allowed them to beat some very good teams that outsized them, and led them to their strong start.  Cracks were showing in that before their break, and while 65 is hardly an egregious allowance, particularly in OT, their defense did not look good in that game against Bowling Green before the snow break.  Against South, they were absolutely dialed in, even if the offense wasn't.  A listless 11-11 first quarter gave way to an immediate 7-0 run to open the second quarter, and the lead was nine before Brandon Perkins hit a shot at the buzzer - just the second shot the Spartans hit in the quarter.  The levee broke in the third with the Dragons absolutely crunching South to the tune of a 21-5 quarter, and the game was effectively over with a 46-23 lead after three, and finished at 61-36.  South Warren hit only four shots in the middle frames.  Their 36 points was both their season low offensively as well as a season low allowed for Central.  This result, combined with Monday's, meant that South Warren needed a win against Bowling Green to clinch a 2/3 spot outright, or else it would come down to an RPI tiebreak.
--Muhire's ejection for Bowling Green meant that as scheduled, Bowling Green would not have him available against South Warren for that pivotal game at South.  They also faced a pretty sizable RPI deficit, and the 14th District's tiebreaker locks in following the last district games played (I.e. Saturday).  In other words, Bowling Green needed to try to pick up a game for a lot of reasons.  First, they played their scheduled game against a frankly terrible Owensboro squad.  The Purples led most of the game, including by as many as 12 in the final quarter after entering the frame with a ten point lead. But playing the night after the intense Greenwood game and missing their senior took a toll on the team (seemingly), and a 9-1 run drew the Red Devils within 53-52, and following a BG basket, a left wing three tied the game.  Both teams had multiple possessions and attempts to win the game, but it went to overtime.  Both teams missed critical free throws, and the score was 59 all with Owensboro possession and 11.2 seconds left.  A turnover in front of Owensboro's bench with 7.2 left gave Bowling Green possession, and a lob to Anthony Davis was laid in just before the buzzer to win it, giving Bowling Green a vital win.  On Thursday, they played against McLean County, a game they'd managed to pick up, clearing the way for Muhire to play Friday.  Thursday's result, much less dramatic, as the Purples scored a 61-45 win in their first ever game against McLean County (they played pre-consolidation Calhoun two years in the mid-40s).  That left Bowling Green roughly .032 behind South Warren in RPI going into Friday night.
--The Greenwood at Warren Central game went much the way their first matchup in January went - total domination by Central.  In theory, Greenwood could have won the top seed with a win, but would have needed to win an RPI tiebreaker with Warren Central, who entered as the #1 team in RPI for the entire state.  So realistically, they were never going to get there.  Central made sure to make it not an issue in the first place, utilizing a 16-5 run to break a 6 all tie in the first quarter.  After the Gators briefly got within single digits again, Central poured it on in the second quarter, taking a 38-20 advantage at the half.  Greenwood's last gasp got them within 47-32, before a 9-0 run closed the quarter and the lead never went back under 20.  As in the first game, Greenwood simply could not handle Central's pressure.  I believe Greenwood to be the third best team in the region, but I actually think there are teams behind them that I would give a better chance of beating Warren Central head to head (one obviously has).  I simply don't think they match up well.  Briefly touching on it, there was a lot of rancor following the game.  Head coaches Will McCoy and Will Unseld had words in the handshake line, having to be separated by coaches and players.  Following a lull in activity, words continued to be exchanged over towards the visitor locker room, and eventually a bit of jawing between players, who by and large kept their composure.  No love lost between those two coaches, it would seem.
--And finally, the last significant game.  A few weeks ago, South Warren at long last grabbed their first victory over Bowling Green, and on the road at that, winning 50-47 to end a 37 game losing streak to the Purples.  They entered needing the win to assure themselves of a spot in the 2/3 game, and Bowling Green as mentioned earlier required a win and then some help from their schedule to date and the opponents of those opponents.  South Warren was dealing with Perkins' injury, wearing a brace on his right knee.  South came out with a very, very deliberate pace to compensate, and the majority of the game was played at the pace they dictated.  That helped them to jump out to an 11-2 start.  Pretty much every district game has started that way for Bowling Green, falling well behind.  South used a 9-0 run in the second quarter to make it 20-7, but then the Purples settled in.  They used a 10-2 run to close to 22-17 at the half. A 15-5 start to the third gave Bowling Green the advantage, and then it was back and forth from there.  South Warren took a 42-40 lead midway through the fourth, but they ultimately would not score again.  Anderson gave Bowling Green the lead with a three, and after a missed gametying attempt late, Anthony Davis laid it in for the 47-42 Bowling Green victory. Bowling Green won two of their final three district games after their 0-3 start, the worst they'd had since the 1994/95 season.  Their extra games helped fuel their RPI effort, but they ultimately fell around .009 short, locking South Warren into the third seed and Bowling Green in the fourth. Had they held on against Greenwood, they'd have not only avoided being in that four spot, they'd have been the TWO seed.  That's how significant that buzzer beater against Greenwood proved to be.  The scheduling of the RPI cutoff is in itself a bit of a controversy.  The wording of the tiebreak is "the day following the last day to play a district game." The 14th District interpretation is that means the last day that had a district game played.  Another interpretation is that it is following the last day you're allowed to play one, which would be February 18th (so RPI as of February 19th).  Bowling Green got 24 games in prior to the district's interpretation, South Warren, only 20.  Perhaps if South had played a few more games they'd have won by more, or perhaps they'd have fallen behind entirely.  And if Bowling Green had a bit more time, perhaps it could have gone differently for them.  Instead, we get some rare occurrences.  Greenwood will play South Warren in an elimination game for just the fourth time, with all three prior occurrences coming in the quarterfinal round (I.e. the 4/5 game), never in a district semifinal with a region tournament appearance on the line.  South Warren has never played anyone other than Warren Central or Bowling Green with a chance to advance - hence their 2-72 record against the two explaining why they have never been.  It's going to be just the third elimination game in the district tournament between Bowling Green and Warren Central in the seeded era, which started in 1999.  Two two split the previous two.  That included 2008 when it was also a 1/4 matchup at Warren Central, albeit with the seeds flipped.  Bowling Green won that contest.  District tournaments are just a couple of weeks away. 

-In the 13th District, things remain pretty wide open.  Logan County had already clinched the #1 seed, and continued to drive that home, blowing the doors off of Todd County Central by a 70-47 score.  The Cougars shot 53.7% from the field in the contest, and they continue to look like a team that will definitely be poised to make noise next year as their top three scorers were all in double digits, none of them seniors.  Junior Davis Switzer dropped in 23, while freshman Joseph Mctire added 20, followed by junior Maliq Ford.  Switzer has been the engine all year for Logan County - he averages 21.6 PPG.  That meant that the winner of the Russellville/Franklin-Simpson game was going to put the winner in a position to guarantee themselves a spot in the 2/3 game by winning a future contest against Todd County Central.  Russellville jumped out early, leading 9-4, before nine straight for Franklin-Simpson put them ahead.  They'd continue that momentum in the second quarter, as they reeled off a 14-0 run after Russellville tied it at 17 all, taking their largest lead of the game at 31-17.  Russellville responded with the last six of the half to make it 31-23 at the half.  The lead stayed between 7-10 points almost the entire third quarter, but a late run by Russellville in the last two minutes erased almost all of it, as they scored 9 in a row to make it 42-41 Franklin-Simpson into the final quarter.  Franklin-Simpson scored five in a row mid quarter to push out to a six point lead at 55-49, and that was the same score as the clock moved under two minutes.  That's when the Panthers made their move, scoring six in a row, to tie it at 55 as the game moved under a minute to go. Franklin regained the lead on a 1/2 trip to the line, but with under 40 seconds left, Gardner drove and kicked to Coleman in the corner who knocked down a three, giving Russellville the 58-56 advantage, their first since the first quarter. Franklin brought the ball up, but turned it over when Partinger could not corral a pass on the wing.  Vanterpool, a 55% free throw shooter on the season coming in, calmly knocked down a pair to make it 60-56 Russellville.  Franklin got a layup and timeout with 6 seconds left, making it 60-58 Russellville.  Nurse went to the line for Russellville, made the first, missed the second.  The rebound caromed off to the right, and Dudley could not control it for Franklin-Simpson, giving Russellville possession.  The final inbound came in, and Franklin could not commit a foul, giving Russellville the 61-58 victory, and Franklin-Simpson their fifth consecutive loss.  That means Russellville needs only win at home against Todd County Central on the 13th to clinch the 2 seed in the district.  Franklin-Simpson and Todd County Central both sit at 1-3 in district play, and will meet at Franklin-Simpson on February 10th.  The two teams played to a tight 64-63 decision in favor of Franklin-Simpson on January 9th.  If Franklin wins on the 10th, then they can clinch a spot in the 2/3 game if they could win at Logan County on the 13th.  They'd hold the head to head tiebreaker over Todd County Central as well, but that ultimately won't matter because there is no way for them to win that game and then end up in just a two-way tie with Todd County Central - if they were to tie, it would mean they lost to Logan County, Russellville lost to Todd County Central, and all three ended at 2-4. That scenario would send it to the same RPI tiebreak scenario that played out in the 14th.  If Todd County Central were to win that road matchup against Franklin-Simpson, then they could clinch the two seed themselves by beating Russellville on the 13th. That result would condemn Franklin-Simpson to the 4 seed regardless of their result against Logan County, as the best they'd do would be a tie with Russellville at 2-4, who swept them, earning the tiebreak. Russellville currently has a .51072 RPI, Franklin-SImpson .46200, and Todd County Central .42933. 
--Put more succintly, your scenarios:
***Franklin beats Todd Central, Franklin beats Logan County, Russellville beats Todd County Central - 1 Logan County, 2 Russellville, 3 Franklin-Simpson, 4 Todd County Central
***Franklin beats Todd Central, Logan County beats Franklin, Russellville beats Todd County Central - 1 Logan County, 2 Russellville, 3 Franklin-Simpson, 4 Todd County Central
***Franklin beats Todd Central, Franklin beats Logan County, Todd County Central beats Russellville - 1 Logan County, 2 Franklin-Simpson, 3 Todd County Central, 4 Russellville
***Franklin beats Todd Central, Logan County beats Franklin, Todd County Central beats Russellville - 1 Logan County, RPI determines all rest of seeding.  Currently Russellville would be 2, Franklin would be 3, Todd Central would be 4
***Todd Central beats Franklin, Franklin beats Logan County, Russellville beats Todd County Central - 1 Logan County, 2 Russellville, RPI determines rest of seeding.  Currently Franklin would be 3, Todd Central would be 4
***Todd Central beats Franklin, Logan County beats Franklin, Russellville beats Todd County Central - 1 Logan County, 2 Russellville, 3 Todd County Central, 4 Franklin-Simpson
***Todd Central beats Franklin, Franklin beats Logan County, Todd County Central beats Russellville - 1 Logan County, 2 Todd County Central, 3 Russellville, 4 Franklin-Simpson
***Todd Central beats Franklin, Logan County beats Franklin, Todd County Central beats Russellville - 1 Logan County, 2 Todd County Central, 3 Russellville, 4 Franklin-Simpson

-The 15th is the only one that isn't going to play with tiebreakers.  We did get a curveball result, as Allen County-Scottsville dropped 90 points in a 90-75 win over Glasgow, handing Glasgow their only loss of district play to this point.  The Patriots followed that with a home win over Barren County by a 56-50 score, giving them their fifth straight win.  That's their longest win streak in seven years.  That clinched the 2 seed outright for ACS, behind Glasgow at the 1, and ahead of Barren County at the 3, with Warren East the 4.  Conceivably, I believe any one of the top three could cut down the nets in the district tournament, though Glasgow will be favored.  Not only due to their status as the 1 seed and virtual bye to the title game - the tournament is at home for the Scotties.

-Finally, the 16th.  With Russell County's loss to Monroe County, Clinton County officially clinches the #1 seed.  Metcalfe County's loss to Cumberland County locks them into the 5 seed.  In the middle.... well we don't know much yet.  Monroe County is done with their slate at 4-4.  They hold a tiebreaker over Russell County with a season sweep, the second game of which came on Friday in a 77-68 victory.  But they were themselves swept by Cumberland County, who hold that tiebreaker.  Cumberland County is currently 4-3 in district play, with one game remaining against Russell County, who is 3-3.  If Cumberland County wins that game in Russell Springs, then the Panthers will clinch the 2 seed, and that will lock Monroe County into the 3 spot, as Russell County would be unable to do better than 4-4 and would lose the tiebreaker.  If Russell County wins instead on the 9th, then all eyes will turn to their matchup with Clinton County the next day, on the 10th.  If Russell County wins that game as well, they will clinch the 2 seed, and Cumberland County will be the 3 by virtue of that sweep over Monroe County.  If Russell County were to lose that game (which would be expected), then all three teams would be tied at 4-4.  Unlike the other districts, District 16 does not utilize any RPI provision, at least according to the seeding plans.  Theirs is instead a random draw.  So we'd have no way of knowing who would take the 2-4 spots until they do the draw.  It is worth noting that Monroe County is currently the highest in RPI for those teams, at .56948, Russell County next at .54174, and finally Cumberland County way back at .48222.  If Monroe were to end up in a draw and finish at the 4 spot, they're likely to be verrrrry angry.

-The Patriots decided to be an honorary member of the 14th District, as they picked up games against the entire district in the next ten days.  That kicks off with Warren Central on the 9th, then Greenwood on the 10th, Bowling Green on the 16th, and South Warren on the 17th.  The Patriots understand what it takes to prepare for the postseason.  

-Aside from the select district contests that drive the seeding, some games to keep an eye on this week:
--2/13 North Hardin at Warren Central - With their district slate concluded, the Dragons will play most likely their most difficult remaining game when they host North Hardin.  The Trojans are 16-5, winners of seven in a row currently, and have been on fire since Keriawn Berry gained eligibility.  In his nine games, he is averaging 27.9 PPG to go along with Terrion Mack's 18.4 PPG on the year.  Berry is one of the best seniors in the state, if not THE best senior.  They currently have posted back to back 90 poitn games.  Only thing that might take some of the starch out of it - that game will be their third in three days. 
--2/13 Grayson County at South Warren - The Spartans need a spark, and are running out of time.  Grayson County is a very, very good opponent.  South gets them at home, they need to have a good showing, build some momentum.  
--2/14 Logan County at Daviess County - The Cougars are going to lose this game, almost assuredly.  Daviess County is legitimate.  But it's been a minute since Logan County has encountered any type of really strong team.  They've been moving up the ranks steadily in the region, I'm curious how they look against a monster.

What a break down, my eyes are still burning.  Your fingers must have the bones showing.

The RPI issue is certainly strange.  It appears the days of the coin flip are long gone and that is probably for the best. I would have assumed BG would get the nod for the 3 seed based on having the best district win of the 2 (home to WC).  They also had a scoring margin edge of 2 points across their 2 meetings with south. BG has a district point differential of -28 and SW finished up at -51.  Is RPI based on total season record or just in region?  Either way, BG has 2 more chances for region wins in the regular season and south has 1.  If BG and south were to both win out, they would both finish at 8-5 in 4th region play. Just odd if the formula punishes a team for playing more games. 

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3 hours ago, Purple_Reign said:

The RPI issue is certainly strange.  It appears the days of the coin flip are long gone and that is probably for the best. I would have assumed BG would get the nod for the 3 seed based on having the best district win of the 2 (home to WC).  They also had a scoring margin edge of 2 points across their 2 meetings with south. BG has a district point differential of -28 and SW finished up at -51.  Is RPI based on total season record or just in region?  Either way, BG has 2 more chances for region wins in the regular season and south has 1.  If BG and south were to both win out, they would both finish at 8-5 in 4th region play. Just odd if the formula punishes a team for playing more games. 

I could see the record against seeds outside the tiebreak having merit.  I do think most frequently, that one will wash out.  For instance, a year ago both South Warren and Greenwood were tied at 1-5.  Neither beat anyone else other than each other, so that tiebreak wouldn't have done anything.  But I do think it's reasonable that when it does, that it would be used.  I'm not really for anything in terms of differential coming into play, because heaven knows people get up in arms about running up scores as it is.  

RPI is based on total record against your schedule to that point.  So it's all games for both teams.  I also don't know that it's exactly that Bowling Green is being punished for playing more games.  It definitely IS that they got hurt for having a worse win percentage.  I was going to argue that Bowling Green was also hurt by the out of state teams having a flat RPI and that they played more of those, but in reality, that actually probably helped Bowling Green, because a quick jaunt to MaxPreps showed none of those four teams were good (one was 1-13).  I do think it's worth noting that South Warren had only three games canceled due to weather, and they got one of those rescheduled (Ohio County) - albeit, after the RPI deadline.  It's worth noting that Ohio County played games the 3rd, 5th, and 6th of that week.  I don't know if any were picked up, but they had a pretty full week - the 9th may have been the soonest they could get it rescheduled.  The only game I would maybe circle that South might have ducked would be Daviess County.  They were supposed to play them on the 3rd, and that's when South played Central instead.  I guess they could have played Central on the 2nd, and then Daviess on the 3rd, but let's be real - do you really blame them for not putting their head into that noose at that point? Short rest against a team they were already unlikely to beat? If Daviess was the only one they got in, then I think it would have made it closer, but I think South still would have gotten the nod because even with a loss, that would have been a significant boost to their OWP component. I think it's just one of those things - South didn't really go out of their way to cancel games, didn't go out of their way to reschedule them either (most likely).  And I suppose, in this case, they didn't need to.

For me personally, in a two-way tiebreak, I'd go 1 - Head to Head 2 - Record against the top seeded team, then second seeded team, etc. until tie is broken or all other teams are exhausted - 3 - Coin flip.  Settling it by on the court action is preferable, but not always going to work.  And I just simply don't trust RPI at all. 

The 14th is an absolute buzz saw this yr. Quarles has done a great job stabilizing SW. BG has gotten tons better as the yr has gone on. GW has a couple of dudes. WC is elite… championship elite. Their defense is smothering in the press and 1/2 court as well. 
How can I put this? It’s pretty obvious that WC basketball is the, how can I say, crown jewel of our county administrators. They can do no wrong. It definitely rubs people wrong outside of the Central bubble. It’s caused Coach McCoy to have a huge beef with Coach Unseld. Harsh words were said after the game. McCoy is gonna fight for his players. I’ll be interested to hear what comes of it. 

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2 hours ago, TheBarber said:

The 14th is an absolute buzz saw this yr. Quarles has done a great job stabilizing SW. BG has gotten tons better as the yr has gone on. GW has a couple of dudes. WC is elite… championship elite. Their defense is smothering in the press and 1/2 court as well. 
How can I put this? It’s pretty obvious that WC basketball is the, how can I say, crown jewel of our county administrators. They can do no wrong. It definitely rubs people wrong outside of the Central bubble. It’s caused Coach McCoy to have a huge beef with Coach Unseld. Harsh words were said after the game. McCoy is gonna fight for his players. I’ll be interested to hear what comes of it. 

I guess we get one, no? After, all, they've done SO much for us. Why, just look at all the positive transitions for the school and their athletic programs in the last 16 years.... It does make it hard to apologize for one area they may show favor when there's so many areas where they hurt us.  I'll put it to you like this - I do not enjoy seeing the admins show up to our games, the board chairman in particular. 

I've got no beef with someone sticking up for their team and their players - something I'm guessing both sides are going to argue in this case. I would certainly have preferred that the confrontation not occurred.  

I doubt anything comes of it at all. From your description, I'm guessing you share that opinion.

20 hours ago, DragonFire said:

I guess we get one, no? After, all, they've done SO much for us. Why, just look at all the positive transitions for the school and their athletic programs in the last 16 years.... It does make it hard to apologize for one area they may show favor when there's so many areas where they hurt us.  I'll put it to you like this - I do not enjoy seeing the admins show up to our games, the board chairman in particular. 

I've got no beef with someone sticking up for their team and their players - something I'm guessing both sides are going to argue in this case. I would certainly have preferred that the confrontation not occurred.  

I doubt anything comes of it at all. From your description, I'm guessing you share that opinion.

I definitely hope it settles down. I just think the tipping point for McCoy was seeing his (would be) 6’7 senior in blue and white this year. Coddled and taught and taught for 3 yrs and poof… gone. And to top it off, he get very limited pt for WC. Frustrating. 
From a Central perspective I see how the split hurt. It hurt everything. 

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7 hours ago, TheBarber said:

I definitely hope it settles down. I just think the tipping point for McCoy was seeing his (would be) 6’7 senior in blue and white this year. Coddled and taught and taught for 3 yrs and poof… gone. And to top it off, he get very limited pt for WC. Frustrating. 
From a Central perspective I see how the split hurt. It hurt everything. 

When you consider how well Greenwood has done this year despite his absence, I can understand those hard feelings.  Every piece of depth can help.  From a strictly game perspective, Ojare simply can't stop fouling, and that's been as big a limiter for him as anything.  Against Allen County-Scottsville the other night, he entered the game, and after about a minute, got a foul, then picked up a technical for some words with another player (although to be fair, I think the official overreacted, T'd both up).  60-75 seconds on the floor, two fouls, out.  Third quarter he came back in, on floor for 45 seconds, third foul.  He has 1.31 points for every foul called on him this year.  He has a foul roughly every 4 minutes played.  By comparison, the team leader in fouls has a foul for roughly every 8 minutes played.  He's a good kid, I want to see him do well, but it really hasn't mattered the opponent, it just hasn't come together for him. 

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With Franklin-Simpson's blowout win of Todd County Central, the 13th District scenarios have narrowed to:

***Franklin beats Logan County, Russellville beats Todd County Central - 1 Logan County, 2 Russellville, 3 Franklin-Simpson, 4 Todd County Central
***Logan County beats Franklin, Russellville beats Todd County Central - 1 Logan County, 2 Russellville, 3 Franklin-Simpson, 4 Todd County Central
***Franklin beats Logan County, Todd County Central beats Russellville - 1 Logan County, 2 Franklin-Simpson, 3 Todd County Central, 4 Russellville
***Logan County beats Franklin, Todd County Central beats Russellville - 1 Logan County, RPI determines all rest of seeding.  Currently Russellville would be 2, Franklin would be 3, Todd Central would be 4

At this point, the second scenario (Logan County and Russellville winning on Friday) feels the most likely. Particularly because Todd County Central will be on the road, and they have been markedly worse on the road vs. at home.   They are 3-10 on the road, and two of those wins were over Foundation Christian Academy, and Warren East.  If Russellville wins that game, the Logan County/Franklin-Simpson game is irrelevant.  With RPI being the way it is, even if Todd County Central wins, if Logan County does too, it is likely to end up in the exact same order.  It's only the double upset, Franklin and Todd both winning, that is likely to induce any real chaos.  

In the 16th, Russell County got the win over Cumberland County and pushed Clinton County to the limit, but fell in overtime in that one.  That leaves us with the three way tie at 4-4 between Cumberland County, Monroe County, and Clinton County.  I've been told that Russell County is going to be the 4, that what was posted on the KHSAA is no longer accurate.  I guess we'll have to wait and see, because I'm not sure by what metric that happened.  But allegedly, Russell County will take on Metcalfe County in the 4/5 game for the right to face host Clinton County, while Cumberland County and Monroe County will play for a spot in the region.

From @Dragon Fire "The wording of the tiebreak is "the day following the last day to play a district game." The 14th District interpretation is that means the last day that had a district game played.  Another interpretation is that it is following the last day you're allowed to play one, which would be February 18th (so RPI as of February 19th)."

FWIW, Bowling Green now has an RPI of .58500 and South sits at .57615 after BG has won 6 straight and 8 of their last 9.  South has lost 5 in a row and will likely be 6 after their game vs Grayson County tonight.  I am hearing there is only a gentleman's agreement in place over the cutoff date with which RPI is used for the tiebreaker for the 14th.  Will be interesting seeing how this plays out. 

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It was certainly easy to see that the schedules set up well that Bowling Green would have every opportunity to take the lead in the RPI once they won out that week.  McLean County was a big win for the RPI, and Apollo last night was even bigger.  I find it highly likely they'll beat AC/S, and North Hardin on the 18th might be the only spot of trouble before what would have been that February 19th deadline.  South's finishing kick of Ohio County, Grayson County, and Meade County was always daunting, with AC/S their only game you could somewhat confidently circle as a win.  

Whatever the outcome, if it's still in doubt, they need to be much more explicit about the language they use.  It just seems silly to have it that ambiguous.  I will say in retrospect, this exact scenario came up last year with the RPI (which I guess I'd forgotten), and they ended it at the exact same time - South Warren was just ahead of Greenwood, and got the 3 seed.  I can't tell from the scoreboard what the exact RPI was the Thursday before district, but by season's end, Greenwood had pulled ahead of South Warren by .00200.  Greenwood played only one game after what would have been the day following the last day you're allowed to play one (beating Warren East) - it's possible that pushed them ahead, but possible that it was exactly like this one, that the earlier deadline flipped the seeds. 

The District Managers document on the KHSAA doesn't list when the district meeting is, so I don't know exactly when that is taking place.  A couple of them are taking place on the 18th next week (13th & 15th), and the 16th's already took place yesterday.  So not sure when we get clarity.  I guess my question @Purple_Reign is have you heard that Bowling Green will push for a change? I wonder what would go into that.  If it's a majority vote, how will that go? I would think neither South Warren or Greenwood will want any interpretation different than what seems to be the de facto right now, that it's done.  Both of them have to know they've got a better shot against the other, even with Greenwood having swept Bowling Green. And South surely knows with how they're playing they're dead dead if they end up against Central.

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