I agree with the article and how KY handles it, and as Kissinger stated it's a matter of "need to know" and "the desire to know".

 

Possibly holding names until the final selections when it'd down to a handful of candidates? Then allowing those people to back out before their names are possibly released to the public right before the final selection?

 

Care to explain why it isn't the RIGHT to know since public dollars do fund the school system? Never mind, I explained all of that in my earlier post. Facts obviously mean nothing to you.

 

Again, none of the above has anything to do with the facts of the matter. If the names have to be released, they have to be released. It's black and white and at what point they are released isn't part of the equation. It's up to the media to cover the news and provide information, not play gatekeeper with it.

Never mind, I explained all of that in my earlier post. Facts obviously mean nothing to you.

 

 

HEY! EVERYONE is entitled to their opinion, So no need to force yours down others throats by this kind of comment.

 

Regardless if high school sports coaches fall under what you call the same umbrella in Ohio or not, it shouldn't. Those other professions do not have to worry about highly irate fans, I would hope that in those other positions the people they will be working with are more professional. If you ever see a list published on what math teachers applied for a position at a school I would like to see it, I really don't think that has happened, it could have but I never heard of it.

 

Even though I love sports, I can see a line between tax dollars being spent on academics, teachers salaries and capital improvements Vs a couple of grand tops per year for a coach of a sport. I just don't think the public should know until right before the final selection, then the public can voice their concerns over the final applicants.

 

Ok, whatever school you follow, if they were looking for a new football or basketball coach, wouldn't you hope that the best possible candidates would apply? I just feel that now in Ohio you may not have as many or the best possible coaches apply, out of fear, and that leaves your school possibly having to pick among lesser qualified coaches.

 

When Beechwood was looking for a new football coach, did I want to know who applied? Yes! Do I think I had the right to know? IMO, no. I feel that you have to trust those in charge of the hiring to get it down to a handful of applicants before anyone should know. If you don't like the ones they picked then go after them, not someone who is trying to make a better life for themselves and their families.

 

But in KY, I guess they see it the way I see it, that it's no ones business. Those are the fact! At least in KY.

Legally, any person, including the average citizen, has the right to inquire as to any institution's current status with their hiring process. This includes information pertaining to applications, a list of candidates who have undergone interviews, etc. Most people who call are probably told something along the lines of "we cant verify that information at this time" or some jargon that prevents the release of any information. However, the mistake many schools make is the assumption that they are legally protected from giving out that information which is incorrect.

As someone mentioned, it really becomes a matter of how knowledgeable someone is in the law and is able to correctly ask for the information within the limits of the law.

The reason why most schools or newspapers dont print this type of information is because it is often viewed as not newsworthy, except for when the decision has been made.

Now for a little bit of reality: The other reason they dont print this information is become some schools do not abide by the rules pertaining to the hiring process. Some ADs and Principals know who they want and will contact the coach and ask if they are interested. If so, then they say "ok, its yours but we cant make a formal announcement until the deadline passes for how long the opening is required to be made public". In the meantime, ADs are gifted at "we are reviewing resumes and will be making interviews in the next few weeks, blah blah blah." And yes, the school will keep a few resumes in case they get called on this. However, even though the decision has already been made, they can easily say that they are following proper protocol.

Thus, one of the nasty results of all of this is when coaches are hired and their current school has bitter feelings now because it was all done secretly. Thats just a chance you take, I guess, when you're a coach. But another thing to consider is that there is no privacy because an AD or a Principal can, and sometimes does, call the coach's current school to get background information on that coach. But this is nothing new because this type of thing happens everyday in normal worklife. If you want to change jobs, you have to assume the risk that your current employer may find out that you are attempting to do so. However, people should keep in mind that you can not be fired just because you are looking for another job elsewhere. (even though bosses can easily make up a good reason to let you go anyway).

 

 

As to the bolded part of your post, I disagree and caution anyone thinking about relying on that advise that they may want to consult with their legal counsel before relying on it. Ky is an at will state, which barring some limited exceptions, means an employer can fire an employee for any reason or even no reason. Again, I believe that an employer could fire an employee for looking for another job unless the employee is within the exceptions (unionized employee, they have an employment contract, or their position is protected by tenure are the more prominent ones that quickly come to mind). Just a word of caution.

 

As to the open records debate, I do not know enough about open records laws to say whether Ryan's article is correct. But common sense would lead me to conclude that Ryan is probably correct. I think there is a strong likelihood that Ryan looked into the issue with the Enquirer's legal counsel before he ran the article. And if a newspaper's atty thinks the newspaper does not have a right to get the info, you can pretty much be dang certain that such is the case. Newpaper atty's generally feel they have a right to know everything! So if they don't think they have a right to get the names of the applicants, I think it must be a pretty sure thing. If nothing else, the OAG says the schools don't have to release the names of the unsuccessful applicants. Its impossible to determine who are the unsuccessful applicants until the decision has been made, thus a school could not release any info on anyone until the decision has been made. Again, I haven't researched the law and don't intend to, but I'm just applying a little legal reasoning to what has been posted on here.