Why can't Dalton win in the playoffs?

[Aroundthehorn]

His regular season stats from his first few years are identical to Manning's in his first few years, so is he really that bad? If he has those numbers, how come he can't get out of the first round? Is there someone else out there who could replace him?

[HoopsLady]

Sub Andy Dalton for Richard Wilson and he would win in the playoffs. NFL franchise expectations for the QB position are excessive. Especially based upon compensation awarded without the benefit of proven performance. Even Tom Brady could not win a super bowl in the last 10 years without an elite defensive secondary and an improved running game. Peyton Manning only has 1 in a 15 year career.

 

Commit to the running game and to the quality of your OL. Limit passes to about 25 a game with most on short high percentage throws, and deep throws on play action.

 

Dalton is not an accurate enough thrower to throw routes that are not open when the throw is released.

[futurecoach]

Sub Andy Dalton for Richard Wilson and he would win in the playoffs. NFL franchise expectations for the QB position are excessive. Especially based upon compensation awarded without the benefit of proven performance. Even Tom Brady could not win a super bowl in the last 10 years without an elite defensive secondary and an improved running game. Peyton Manning only has 1 in a 15 year career.

 

Commit to the running game and to the quality of your OL. Limit passes to about 25 a game with most on short high percentage throws, and deep throws on play action.

 

Dalton is not an accurate enough thrower to throw routes that are not open when the throw is released.

 

You do realize the Bengals I believed finished in the top 5 in the NFL this year in rushing right? I mean this was the whole discussion last year before the year. The Bengals need to be more of a running team and that would help Dalton, blah, blah, blah. The Bengals threw 100 less passes this past year, and were in the top 5 running the ball in the whole NFL. Yet even with that Dalton had his worst year as a Pro. He was even missing passes this year than in the past he would hit. Yes I do admit injuries did hurt things. However based off what you all say, that should matter if you have a good running game. Well a good running game did nothing to make Dalton better this year. He still looked decent/good against average to bad teams. And he still looked horrible against good team, especially in prime time.

 

You could not simply put Dalton with Seattle and expect him to win. Because what Wilson does for him them is he can in fact hit open guys when they are open. He does actually look off guys and go through his progressions. Then even if a guy can't get open, he then can make plays with his feet. The only two things similar about them is their shorter guys, and not huge arms. However Wilson doesn't get phases in big moments and can make a completion when needed.

[futurecoach]

His regular season stats from his first few years are identical to Manning's in his first few years, so is he really that bad? If he has those numbers, how come he can't get out of the first round? Is there someone else out there who could replace him?

 

It is simple when the Bengals play average/good teams Dalton can look really good. That's where his numbers come from. The Bengals have had enough talent around him to look good at those moments. However when they play under the lights, against other good teams. The windows to throw into are much smaller, and you need a QB who can fit the throws in and doesn't fold like he does in big games. The better teams in the league dare the Bengals to beat them with Dalton throwing and he can't.

[footmaster]

My question: why can't Marvin Lewis win a playoff game?

Fact is... Dalton, Green, the defense, special teams, etc have all consistently under performed in the post season.

The job of coaches is to put his players in the best position to succeed, then they players have to execute it.

To me, the entire team has never really looked ready in the post season... Seems more like a Marvin problem to me.

Seahawks almost won the Super Bowl despite the fact that Wilson was horrible for most of the playoffs.

[Aroundthehorn]

My question: why can't Marvin Lewis win a playoff game?

Fact is... Dalton, Green, the defense, special teams, etc have all consistently under performed in the post season.

The job of coaches is to put his players in the best position to succeed, then they players have to execute it.

To me, the entire team has never really looked ready in the post season... Seems more like a Marvin problem to me.

Seahawks almost won the Super Bowl despite the fact that Wilson was horrible for most of the playoffs.

 

That's a good point.

[John Anthony]

No moxy.

[futurecoach]

My question: why can't Marvin Lewis win a playoff game?

Fact is... Dalton, Green, the defense, special teams, etc have all consistently under performed in the post season.

The job of coaches is to put his players in the best position to succeed, then they players have to execute it.

To me, the entire team has never really looked ready in the post season... Seems more like a Marvin problem to me.

Seahawks almost won the Super Bowl despite the fact that Wilson was horrible for most of the playoffs.

 

No doubt Marvin gets a lot of the blame too. I think the first playoff game under Dalton, and this last playoff game under Dalton it wouldn't have mattered how he played they were not going to win those games. However the second Houston game, and the San Diego game Dalton's play had a direct result on the outcome. The second Houston game was what a playoff game is suppose to look like, and the Bengals put themselves in position to win and needed the QB to make a throw when it mattered and he couldn't get it done. He over throw Green, and then on the last possession on 4th and 11 he throws a three yard slant. Then well the San Diego he actually looked alright in the second half. Then once San Diego scored, he started to panic and press and that is when his turnovers started to happen. So no doubt Lewis is to blame too, however at the end of the day the QB has to be able to make throws at some point in the game. Shoot even Wilson in his 4 interception game, at the end of the game made throws when he had to, to help them win.

[footmaster]

No doubt Marvin gets a lot of the blame too. I think the first playoff game under Dalton, and this last playoff game under Dalton it wouldn't have mattered how he played they were not going to win those games. However the second Houston game, and the San Diego game Dalton's play had a direct result on the outcome. The second Houston game was what a playoff game is suppose to look like, and the Bengals put themselves in position to win and needed the QB to make a throw when it mattered and he couldn't get it done. He over throw Green, and then on the last possession on 4th and 11 he throws a three yard slant. Then well the San Diego he actually looked alright in the second half. Then once San Diego scored, he started to panic and press and that is when his turnovers started to happen. So no doubt Lewis is to blame too, however at the end of the day the QB has to be able to make throws at some point in the game. Shoot even Wilson in his 4 interception game, at the end of the game made throws when he had to, to help them win.

All true... And in the San Diego game, our running back (Gio) fumbled a guaranteed TD away and Green dropped a first and goal (if not TD) down the sideline that would've put them right back in the game.

And aside from the second playoff game vs Houston, the Bengals defense has been a post season embarrassment...

So, I agree, Dalton has under performed mightily, but no more than the entire coaching staff and defense in the last few playoffs...

[futurecoach]

All true... And in the San Diego game, our running back (Gio) fumbled a guaranteed TD away and Green dropped a first and goal (if not TD) down the sideline that would've put them right back in the game.

And aside from the second playoff game vs Houston, the Bengals defense has been a post season embarrassment...

So, I agree, Dalton has under performed mightily, but no more than the entire coaching staff and defense in the last few playoffs...

 

See I think even the defense was fine against San Diego until all the turnovers happened, and then San Diego slowly wore out our defense in the second half and the running lanes got bigger and bigger. Dalton in big moments and game can't handle things.

 

Which I also know it is on Marvin, that is why I have wanted him fired after the last two seasons. However he is still around, so at least try to find a guy who can maybe handle the big moments and possibly could complete passes when it matters most.

[footmaster]

See I think even the defense was fine against San Diego until all the turnovers happened, and then San Diego slowly wore out our defense in the second half and the running lanes got bigger and bigger. Dalton in big moments and game can't handle things.

 

Which I also know it is on Marvin, that is why I have wanted him fired after the last two seasons. However he is still around, so at least try to find a guy who can maybe handle the big moments and possibly could complete passes when it matters most.

 

You surely don't have to twist my arm to move on from Dalton... But I wouldn't give up on him for RG3 who is damaged goods both mentally and physically IMO. Nice guy, smart guy, but not as consistent as Dalton... And that says a lot, because Dalton is wildly inconsistent.

As pathetic as it is to say... I'd rather have Dalton for 3 more seasons than Marvin for 1 more.

Dalton hasn't won a playoff game, not any of his teammates... But he's been getting there and only entering his 5th season...

Marvin's been here what? 14 or 15 seasons, different QB's, different coordinators, etc... And no playoff wins.

Maybe it's unfair to expect any of them to win under Mike Brown and company... I really don't know, but "in game" coaching and lack of adjustments have seemed to be the biggest reason IMO that the Bengals haven't advanced.

 

I think all Bengal fans have varying opinions that ultimately agree in the big picture.. Mike Brown + Marvin Lewis + Andy Dalton = playoff losses.

 

Brown doesn't leave that equation... Andy is getting one more season no matter what and so is Marvin. That's the sad truth of it.

If I could get rid of Andy or Martin , I get rid of Marvin... Because he's had long enough and also enough different players and coaches.

[Science Friction]

My question: why can't Marvin Lewis win a playoff game?

Fact is... Dalton, Green, the defense, special teams, etc have all consistently under performed in the post season.

The job of coaches is to put his players in the best position to succeed, then they players have to execute it.

To me, the entire team has never really looked ready in the post season... Seems more like a Marvin problem to me.Seahawks almost won the Super Bowl despite the fact that Wilson was horrible for most of the playoffs.

 

 

Better damn sure believe it. Yet he will be there another decade. Why doesn't he just do what's right and quit?

[futurecoach]

You surely don't have to twist my arm to move on from Dalton... But I wouldn't give up on him for RG3 who is damaged goods both mentally and physically IMO. Nice guy, smart guy, but not as consistent as Dalton... And that says a lot, because Dalton is wildly inconsistent.

As pathetic as it is to say... I'd rather have Dalton for 3 more seasons than Marvin for 1 more.

Dalton hasn't won a playoff game, not any of his teammates... But he's been getting there and only entering his 5th season...

Marvin's been here what? 14 or 15 seasons, different QB's, different coordinators, etc... And no playoff wins.

Maybe it's unfair to expect any of them to win under Mike Brown and company... I really don't know, but "in game" coaching and lack of adjustments have seemed to be the biggest reason IMO that the Bengals haven't advanced.

 

I think all Bengal fans have varying opinions that ultimately agree in the big picture.. Mike Brown + Marvin Lewis + Andy Dalton = playoff losses.

 

Brown doesn't leave that equation... Andy is getting one more season no matter what and so is Marvin. That's the sad truth of it.

If I could get rid of Andy or Martin , I get rid of Marvin... Because he's had long enough and also enough different players and coaches.

 

I get what you are saying, and kind of why I have gave Dalton the benefit of the doubt until this off season. I have wanted Marvin gone the last two seasons, and I think honestly if he was gone the next coach wouldn't back Dalton so much like Marvin is.

 

The Bengals in the 80's seemed to be one step ahead of other teams in terms of thinking, like the no huddle, zone blitzing on defense, etc. However now the Bengals always seem to be one year to late on things. The Bengals have had a big window of opportunity the last few years, and have failed because of both Marvin and Dalton. I would love to have got a new coach and new QB but that aint happening. I am afraid that this team is going to keep waiting one year to long, and before we make a change our window will close. That is why even though I admit RG3 could continue to be a big bust here, he is someone I would take a chance on this year. Because even if he fails then he and Marvin could still be gone after this season. RG3 showed his rookie year he does have good potential, and maybe a change of scenary and Hue Jackson would be a good thing and light a fire under him. So its just a chance I would take for this year. Which it would only be for this year. With Dalton we know the end result already. With RG3 we don't know, it very well could make us horrible, but if there is the smallest chance it works out and gets us over the top then I take that chance now.