October 10, 201411 yr Apparently protesters are burning American flags in St. Louis. Saw this on another board. http://twitchy.com/2014/10/09/shawshooting-these-flag-burning-vines-from-st-louis-will-make-you-sick/
October 10, 201411 yr Author It matters to me. People obviously don't blindly accept that police are right...They shouldn't blindly accept that they are wrong either. You posted that as an example of why St. Louis police can't be or aren't trusted. There is nothing definitive about the video or audio' date=' just some odd accusations. If you didn't want to discuss the video you shouldn't have posted it.[/quote'] You have failed to grasp the point. I think others got it.
October 10, 201411 yr You have failed to grasp the point. I think others got it. I know the point you were getting at. Some people don't trust the police because there are stories there like this that some blindly accept as fact. There are clear cut cases of police misconduct all over the country... Edited October 10, 201411 yr by halfback20
October 10, 201411 yr Author I know the point you were getting at. People don't trust the police because there are stories there like this that some blindly accept as fact. There are clear cut cases of police misconduct all over the country... So you did get it. That's why your fair question doesn't matter.
October 10, 201411 yr So you did get it. That's why your fair question doesn't matter. If it absolutely does not matter whether or not the accusations are true or not, what do you suggest the police do to fix that? Is it all on the police or can some local politicians/leaders change their methods to help as well? Do you think the news media plays a part in the mistrust of police? Since they will post that video and the article, and in most cases they rarely update the story unless it's proven that the police were in fact wrong. If that changes and the investigation reveals the police did nothing wrong and the accusations were false, do you think anyone will hear it? Do you think they will listen if they hear it? Do you think local politicians in St. Louis would ask people to trust the investigation or do you think they would tell them that there's no way the police did nothing wrong? There are issues between the police department and the community around St. Louis. There are other issues as well that do not help. Politicians like the Senator I mentioned earlier are part of the problem IMO. There are other leaders in the area that I think are doing their best and trying to stop the violence. I remember during the Ferguson protests people forming a wall trying to keep the violent protesters away from the police, which I thought was a good move. I've read that there are people on the ground at the current shooting site doing similar things asking people to wait for information and not resort to violence. Then you have other leaders throwing out claims like the kid was shot in the back of the head and racially profiled when there is nothing to suggest either at this point. How does that help?
October 10, 201411 yr Author I'm sure some will disagree but I am not at all impressed with Senator Jamilah Nasheed. She's already made claims that she believed the deceased was shot in the back of the head and that he was racially profiled. What is she basing this on I wonder? She's the Senator that dropped an "F you" to the Gov on Twitter , I believe. You're not alone in your assessment.
October 10, 201411 yr Author If it absolutely does not matter whether or not the accusations are true or not, what do you suggest the police do to fix that? Is it all on the police or can some local politicians/leaders change their methods to help as well? Do you think the news media plays a part in the mistrust of police? Since they will post that video and the article, and in most cases they rarely update the story unless it's proven that the police were in fact wrong. If that changes and the investigation reveals the police did nothing wrong and the accusations were false, do you think anyone will hear it? Do you think they will listen if they hear it? Do you think local politicians in St. Louis would ask people to trust the investigation or do you think they would tell them that there's no way the police did nothing wrong? There are issues between the police department and the community around St. Louis. There are other issues as well that do not help. Politicians like the Senator I mentioned earlier are part of the problem IMO. There are other leaders in the area that I think are doing their best and trying to stop the violence. I remember during the Ferguson protests people forming a wall trying to keep the violent protesters away from the police, which I thought was a good move. I've read that there are people on the ground at the current shooting site doing similar things asking people to wait for information and not resort to violence. Then you have other leaders throwing out claims like the kid was shot in the back of the head and racially profiled when there is nothing to suggest either at this point. How does that help? Every finger on my hand would be pointed at groups that are to blame.
October 14, 201411 yr Author WSJ reported that the ME did not do a swab test on the hands of the victim to see if he fired the gun because the test often results in errors.
October 14, 201411 yr WSJ reported that the ME did not do a swab test on the hands of the victim to see if he fired the gun because the test often results in errors. The police can do those tests as well as far as I know. Doesn't have to come from the ME.
October 14, 201411 yr Author The police can do those tests as well as far as I know. Doesn't have to come from the ME. It wasn't the "who" but the reason that caught my attention.
October 14, 201411 yr It wasn't the "who" but the reason that caught my attention. I understand. It's just odd to me that a medical examiner would ever do that test in the first place. Doesn't seem like part of their job description. I wonder if forensic specialists in crime labs feel different about the tests accuracy. Fwiw, I read an article that confirmed my suspicions that the police would do a gunshot residue test. St. Louis City police say the suspect shot at the officer three times before his gun jammed. Investigators tested the suspect`s gun, but have not released results. Investigators are also waiting for crime lab results on possible gunpowder residue on Myers` hands. http://fox2now.com/2014/10/13/vonderrit-myers-jr-showed-off-his-guns-before-shooting/
October 14, 201411 yr Interesting... Vonderrit Myers, Jr. showed off his guns before shooting | FOX2now.com
October 14, 201411 yr http://fox2now.com/2014/10/14/vonderrit-myers-tests-positive-for-gunshot-residue/
October 23, 201411 yr Author Michael Skolnik @MichaelSkolnik 4m4 minutes ago According to an independent autopsy conducted by the family of Vonderrit Meyers, 6 out of 8 shots hit him in the back of his body.
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