AR just gives the CR the information and he then decides what card should be issued. The AR might see from a different angle what the CR couldn't see and it sounds like they worked together to get the call.

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I know a middle finger from a player, coach or fan will do it. Is it the same for the AR?

 

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Haha. Well I guess if they were creative that would work but the standard is to tap the back pocket. If you watch much MLS or pro soccer in general that is where most refs keep their red card.

 

My point is that speculation of how the sequence of events went down is pretty useless. This crew did communicate on multiple occasions if you watched the match and from where I was watching they got the calls that needed to be made.

 

Game was exciting to watch despite the score seeming one sided. Cooper had many chances where they could have swung it in there favor.

 

All the credit to their players and Scott's, no one gave up. Did it seem like both teams had a little bit of in fighting going on though?

Haha. Well I guess if they were creative that would work but the standard is to tap the back pocket. If you watch much MLS or pro soccer in general that is where most refs keep their red card.

 

My point is that speculation of how the sequence of events went down is pretty useless. This crew did communicate on multiple occasions if you watched the match and from where I was watching they got the calls that needed to be made.

 

Game was exciting to watch despite the score seeming one sided. Cooper had many chances where they could have swung it in there favor.

 

All the credit to their players and Scott's, no one gave up. Did it seem like both teams had a little bit of in fighting going on though?

 

Yes, looking at the score makes it seem one sided, the second goal really hurt. Up until that point, I thought that Cooper was doing a good job of attacking the goal and created several chances... just could not get one past Seay.

 

Can't really speak to how Scott played, I only know a couple of the boys from the team and I have not seen them play this year.

 

As for Cooper, what you are calling in fighting, I would attribute to a different rotation/mix than they were used to having on the field. With missing a few kids that would have normally been part of the rotation they seemed to not be clicking well at times. For example, there were a couple of Seniors who got more time on the pitch yesterday than they had seen all season, I think this showed at times. The staff seemed to not go all out on this day, they held people out, and this I agree with. Because of this decision, you were pretty well seeing what Cooper would have on the pitch next season and I thought this group of boys acquitted themselves pretty well even though they came up short yesterday.

Yes, looking at the score makes it seem one sided, the second goal really hurt. Up until that point, I thought that Cooper was doing a good job of attacking the goal and created several chances... just could not get one past Seay.

 

Can't really speak to how Scott played, I only know a couple of the boys from the team and I have not seen them play this year.

 

As for Cooper, what you are calling in fighting, I would attribute to a different rotation/mix than they were used to having on the field. With missing a few kids that would have normally been part of the rotation they seemed to not be clicking well at times. For example, there were a couple of Seniors who got more time on the pitch yesterday than they had seen all season, I think this showed at times. The staff seemed to not go all out on this day, they held people out, and this I agree with. Because of this decision, you were pretty well seeing what Cooper would have on the pitch next season and I thought this group of boys acquitted themselves pretty well even though they came up short yesterday.

Fair assessment. I don't know as much inside info on then as you. Just seemed like it detracted from some of there play. You have to work the bugs out somehow though.

Agree, they are going to need to make some adjustments to their lineup over the next few weeks and some of them are going to need to grow up rather quickly. For example, with some of the players that were not playing yesterday, the field Captain duties basically fell in the lap of a Sophomore... not that he could not handle it... just a quick adjustment that needed to be made.

 

The good news is they have a few weeks before Districts, in order to make these adjustments.

One pertinent fact that nobody has mentioned so far on the red card was that just before "the kick", the Cooper kid (laying down on his back) had the Scott kid's left leg/foot (who was standing) wrapped up with his right arm/bend in his elbow and held against his head . From my view, the Scott kid tugged aggressively to be free of the obvious hold. So as the Scott kid freed his foot from the hold in an aggressive manor, his cleat pulled along side the Cooper kid's head as he got his foot free from the hold. For those not there, the Scott kid did not line up the Cooper kid's head like a ball on a free kick. I'm not sure what the Cooper kid thought was going to happen when you're holding someone's foot along side your head.

So not being there and not knowing which player it was.....please don't tell me names on here.........

 

Was it a matter of the ref reading intent into it? Has this player received cards in the past ? Was it totally out of character?

 

Did the year the team is having so far incorrectly target him? Or was it a play deserving the card?

So are we trying to say that it made it ok to kick the kid in the head because he supposedly grabbed the guys leg?

 

What difference does it make? How do you suppose the coaches and players would have reacted if the ref said "Well I'm not going to give him the card because you might have grabbed his leg. That's fair right?"

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One pertinent fact that nobody has mentioned so far on the red card was that just before "the kick", the Cooper kid (laying down on his back) had the Scott kid's left leg/foot (who was standing) wrapped up with his right arm/bend in his elbow and held against his head . From my view, the Scott kid tugged aggressively to be free of the obvious hold. So as the Scott kid freed his foot from the hold in an aggressive manor, his cleat pulled along side the Cooper kid's head as he got his foot free from the hold. For those not there, the Scott kid did not line up the Cooper kid's head like a ball on a free kick. I'm not sure what the Cooper kid thought was going to happen when you're holding someone's foot along side your head.

 

I was there and saw this play as well. My parents told me growing up that two wrongs never made it right. In this case it was three wrongs. And of course it still wasn't right.

1. The Cooper player was holding the Scott players left leg. WRONG!!!

2. The Scott player in an attempt to free his leg his foot did hit the Cooper players head. WRONG!!

3. The worst wrong of them the AR just stood there and did nothing why because he wasn't watching the play until the end.

 

If the AR was doing his job the CR would have carded both players with a yellow.

 

And to answer other question from earlier this I believe this is the 1st red card this player has had in three years and rarely ever is carded at all.

Center......thanks for the details.......

 

Wth a name like center ref, you may be referred to on this post more than anyone.....

You do know that the offside call is the primary call for the AR and heaven forbid if you miss one. If the AR didn't see all of the play it happens because he is watching the last defender first and everything else second. Also, VIOLENT CONDUCT is always red and never yellow so center ref needs a refresher course.

I was there and saw this play as well. My parents told me growing up that two wrongs never made it right. In this case it was three wrongs. And of course it still wasn't right.

1. The Cooper player was holding the Scott players left leg. WRONG!!!

2. The Scott player in an attempt to free his leg his foot did hit the Cooper players head. WRONG!!

3. The worst wrong of them the AR just stood there and did nothing why because he wasn't watching the play until the end.

 

If the AR was doing his job the CR would have carded both players with a yellow.

 

And to answer other question from earlier this I believe this is the 1st red card this player has had in three years and rarely ever is carded at all.

 

CR, I agree totally. I felt that both players could have been yellow carded. I felt the AR could have intervened since it was on the sideline pretty close to him. I felt that if the Scott player removed his foot from the hold in almost any other manor besides the aggressive manor in which he did that this would have been avoided. But I can't fault the officials for calling it like they did. If you don't want the card, don't put yourself in that avoidable situation even making it a reasonable option for the officials. And maybe add this to the unwritten rules thread, the retaliation is always caught by the officials.

 

Full disclosure: I have no dog in this hunt, and I was NOT defending anyone's actions. I just wanted to add to the perspective of it not being so clear cut as I'm sure it looked like from where all the parents were sitting closer to the center of the field.

One pertinent fact that nobody has mentioned so far on the red card was that just before "the kick", the Cooper kid (laying down on his back) had the Scott kid's left leg/foot (who was standing) wrapped up with his right arm/bend in his elbow and held against his head . From my view, the Scott kid tugged aggressively to be free of the obvious hold. So as the Scott kid freed his foot from the hold in an aggressive manor, his cleat pulled along side the Cooper kid's head as he got his foot free from the hold. For those not there, the Scott kid did not line up the Cooper kid's head like a ball on a free kick. I'm not sure what the Cooper kid thought was going to happen when you're holding someone's foot along side your head.

 

I agree with part of what you are saying, they were all twisted when this happened. A couple things though, why would he try so aggressively to free his foot if the whistle had blown? Maybe he could have just waited until they were not tangled up, who knows. Once he was free, he made the choice to walk over the Cooper player, rather than around. It was at this point that he struck the Cooper player... not going to argue if he drug his foot or kicked him... bottom line is he chose to walk right over top of him rather than go around him to re-enter the field of play.

I agree with part of what you are saying, they were all twisted when this happened. A couple things though, why would he try so aggressively to free his foot if the whistle had blown? Maybe he could have just waited until they were not tangled up, who knows. Once he was free, he made the choice to walk over the Cooper player, rather than around. It was at this point that he struck the Cooper player... not going to argue if he drug his foot or kicked him... bottom line is he chose to walk right over top of him rather than go around him to re-enter the field of play.

 

One of his teammates might need to ask him why. My answer would only be a guess, but my guess is that to the Scott player, it was like any number of situations we have all witnessed where 2 boys are on the ground and one is holding the other back from rejoining the play. My other guess is that Scott likes to demonstrate it's soccer prowess by not playing a full 80 minutes at even numbers. The conversation I was having in the stands after that was the individual selfishness in demonstrating your bravado/machismo versus the impact to the team. Sure, you showed the kid on the ground who's boss. Playing a man down could have turned the game around in Cooper's favor. What if, as Cooper friendlies reported, that the coach didn't pull back to regroup for a district game next week? You get to sit out 2 games, watch someone else take your field position, and have to hear about it from the AD in your own private 1 on 1 meeting. And now you're out for your two Kenton County rivals in SK and Dixie. I'm sure you would have enjoyed playing in these games.

 

I do hope the Cooper kid is ok and ready for practice on Monday. I didn't think he was hurt on the play but I don't know. I lost track of him since I didn't catch his number.

Cooper kid is OK, actually was hurt more from the hit he took after he came back into the match, it was this hit that I think prompted the coaches to change their approach to yesterday's match.